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Thread: Texas' Anti-woman Law Puts Another Life at Risk

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack21 View Post
    . So they could have done a c-section and provided standard premature treatment.

    The earliest known baby to survive a premature birth is 21 weeks. If we're in an age of medical miracles, they should have tried to save the baby even though there were long odds. They don't do that to save cost. They didn't perform an abortion for political reasons, unnecessarily endangering a patient to push a political point. The situation was already life threatening to the baby. They could have performed a c-section and tried to save the baby.

    Medically, that's at about 4 months with care for premature birth.
    No fetus is viable at 16 weeks (4 months), so a c-section would have been a purposeless invasive surgery. The amniotic sac had ruptured, and the fetus was too premature to use drugs to postpone delivery. However, because there was still a fetal heartbeat, per the law, they couldn't induce an immediate miscarriage or otherwise terminate the pregnancy unless " the mother has a life-threatening physical condition aggravated, caused by, or arising from a pregnancy that places the female at risk of death or poses a serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function." Her condition wasn't, at that point, life threatening. Since labor typically proceeds from the rupture of the amniotic sac within 24 hours, the doctor opted to let nature take its course and sent her home, advising her to watch for infection. The problem is that she did not go into labor within 24 hours and by 72 hours following her water breaking, an antibiotic resistant infection had set in. Had the doctor not been constrained by both the "life threatening" language of the law and the heartbeat threshold, normal protocol would have been followed and labor would have been induced when she first presented, as there is no medical means of saving a 16-week pregnancy once the amniotic sac breaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    No fetus is viable at 16 weeks (4 months), so a c-section would have been a purposeless invasive surgery. The amniotic sac had ruptured, and the fetus was too premature to use drugs to postpone delivery. However, because there was still a fetal heartbeat, per the law, they couldn't induce an immediate miscarriage or otherwise terminate the pregnancy unless " the mother has a life-threatening physical condition aggravated, caused by, or arising from a pregnancy that places the female at risk of death or poses a serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function." Her condition wasn't, at that point, life threatening. Since labor typically proceeds from the rupture of the amniotic sac within 24 hours, the doctor opted to let nature take its course and sent her home, advising her to watch for infection. The problem is that she did not go into labor within 24 hours and by 72 hours following her water breaking, an antibiotic resistant infection had set in. Had the doctor not been constrained by both the "life threatening" language of the law and the heartbeat threshold, normal protocol would have been followed and labor would have been induced when she first presented, as there is no medical means of saving a 16-week pregnancy once the amniotic sac breaks.
    Clearly her condition at that point was life threatening, and the doctors failed to identify it

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    Quote Originally Posted by LescoBrandon View Post
    Pro life is not anti-women, period
    You are anti-woman. Period.

    You act as if a baby suddenly comes into existence when there is a heartbeat. Science says differently.
    This isn't about science. This is about your zealotry.

    You've already said you condone abortion in cases of rape and incest.

    That means you've put your ideology over the real life situation of the woman whose body is involved.

    That's anti-woman. She knows far better than you do what is right for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LescoBrandon View Post
    Clearly her condition at that point was life threatening, and the doctors failed to identify it

    Wrong again.

    Go eat some turkey instead of being one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LescoBrandon View Post
    Clearly her condition at that point was life threatening, and the doctors failed to identify it
    There is nothing clear about it at all. She was having a miscarriage and there was no infection at the time that she went to the hospital.

    Medical best practice today with a 16-week miscarriage where labor hasn't started, is to either perform a D&E abortion or to induce labor. However, without intervention, a woman would simply go into labor within 24 hours and would go back to the hospital once labor is underway or sometimes after delivering at home. Typically, labor starts within 3 hours of the water breaking. So long as the woman can come back to the hospital during labor or shortly after delivery, infection can be prevented. Miscarriage itself is not life threatening, unless there is evidence of bleeding, it's what happens after miscarriage that can be life threatening i.e. infection because the placenta/pregnancy tissue fails to deliver or if delivery is delayed too long, dead tissue provides a breeding ground for bacteria. Labor being delayed beyond 48 hours is rare, and beyond 72 hours is extremely rare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    You are anti-woman. Period.



    This isn't about science. This is about your zealotry.

    You've already said you condone abortion in cases of rape and incest.

    That means you've put your ideology over the real life situation of the woman whose body is involved.

    That's anti-woman. She knows far better than you do what is right for her.
    Around half of all abortions destroys female human life. Which group is anti-woman, pro-choice or pro-life ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Wrong again.

    Go eat some turkey instead of being one.
    Clearly I'm right, or are you saying that the article is lying about the seriousness of her condition? I mean, it is a CNN article after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    Around half of all abortions destroys female human life. Which group is anti-woman, pro-choice or pro-life ??
    Yeah, Finders advocates for the genocide of around half a million women every year, just in the US

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Texas has always been known for having a large number of backward idiots--everything's bigger in Texas, right?

    But their lawmakers are dropping the ball here. Every one of them should be kicked out of office. This is ridiculous.

    What do they have to say for themselves? Very little.



    Sepsis is incredibly dangerous. Making this young woman wait was unthinkable.

    They wanted so badly to have a baby, but when her water broke at 4 months, she didn't fit Texas' criteria of her situation being "life-threatening" until sepsis set in.

    Shame on Texas.
    It was the fault of the doctors. Try harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Zealotry is like a hammer always seeking a nail. It frightens people because zealots are always suspicious and never reasonable. People are presumed guilty until they can prove their innocence. From the doctor's perspective, the threshold for 'life threatening' must be a much higher bar, because of zealotry. There can be no second guessing that maybe she wouldn't have become more ill because the zealots would put an expert on the stand that could say with all honesty that she 'could' have recovered without intervention and as long as there was a remote chance of that happening, the doctor's entire career and freedom would be at risk. Texas law has turned pregnant women into a suspect class.
    Nonsense. This trying to convince stupid people that a lie is not a lie. It's all on the doctors.
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