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    War a Possibility as Iran-Azerbaijan Tensions Flare

    Ancient Persia may go to war with itself. Modern day Iran was the core of the Empire while the Azerbaijani people were a third of its population. Look in the article to links between Russia and Ukraine.

    War a Possibility as Iran-Azerbaijan Tensions Flare


    Iran, because of Azerbaijan’s history, culture, and $#@!e religion, has always viewed Azerbaijan as either a lost territory that should be part of Iran or at the very least within its sphere of influence, which it views as the entire South Caucasus. In many ways, Iran views Azerbaijan in the same manner as Russia views Ukraine: as part of its homeland that has gone astray, but will one day “return home.”


    During the last three decades up to the Second Karabakh War in 2020, Iran was content with Russian influence in the Caucasus and two manufactured frozen conflicts in Azerbaijan and Georgia. Iran’s double standards of being supportive of country’s territorial integrity was evident in how it ignored, but de facto supported, Armenia’s occupation of a fifth of Azerbaijan’s territory. At the same time, Iran is hyper sensitive about threats to its own territorial integrity. In the same manner, Iran is also supporting Russia’s annexation of Ukrainian territory. Therefore, Iran and Russia would both prefer a weak Azerbaijan and Ukraine, rather than revived countries with alliances to Turkey or the West. Armenia concurs, also preferring a weak to a strong Azerbaijan.


    Iran therefore shares Russia’s interest in the region’s frozen conflicts never being resolved, as they both view frozen conflicts as a means to allow them to continue to divide and rule and maintain their sphere of influence over the Caucasus. During the Second Karabakh War, Iranian troops briefly invaded Azerbaijani territory. The aim was to pull Azerbaijani military forces away from their pincer movement in the south against Armenian forces.


    After nearly three decades of being content with the situation on the ground, Iran became more bellicose following Azerbaijan’s military defeat of Armenia in the Second Karabakh War in 2020. Since the defeat of its ally, Iran has made repeated military threats, held military maneuvers near the border, and issued stark warnings. Iran began to supply drones to Armenia, as well as to Russia. Iran has trained and provided finance and intelligence support to Islamic terrorist groups in Azerbaijan. Since October 2021 Azerbaijan began to clamp down on radical $#@!e cells and expel Iranian clerics. Azerbaijan detained nineteen people belonging to the banned Muslim Unity Movement, who had been trained by Iran in Syria to undertake terrorist attacks. They had also smuggled banned extremist religious literature into Azerbaijan.


    The Azerbaijani security service unveiled private WhatsApp groups run by Azerbaijani nationals in Iran and “acting on instructions of the Iranian secret services which propagated radical and extremist religious ideas” with the aim of regime change into a $#@!e theocracy. The Azerbaijani security service arrested five Azerbaijani members of what it called an Iranian spy network, who had been recruited by Iranian secret services to gather intelligence about military exercises, facilities and hardware, including Israeli and Turkish drones (UAVs), as well as energy infrastructure and facilities. A captain of the Caspian Sea Oil Fleet of the State Oil Company of the Azerbaijani Republic (SOCAR) was recruited while he was receiving religious education in the Iranian city of Qom. He gathered information about foreign companies operating in Azerbaijan, as well as about the venue and time of military exercises of the Azerbaijani Navy in the Caspian, and about cargo delivered to offshore oil platforms.


    The rather odd military alliance between two fundamentalist countries – one $#@!e (Iran), seeking to install a $#@!e theocracy in Azerbaijan and return the country within its sphere of influence, and another Christian (Armenia) – has been cemented in three ways. The first was Armenia assisting Iran and more recently Russia to evade international sanctions. The second was to act as an intermediary in the supply of drones and missiles to Russia that the Kremlin uses in its terror attacks against Ukrainian civilian targets. The third was for Armenia to diplomatically support Iran at the UN and in other international organizations.
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    Which side should American taxpayers fund for, you know, an investment in freedom?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Which side should American taxpayers fund for, you know, an investment in freedom?
    lol
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    Again. In the absence of a strong US, it opens up opportunities for US adversaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Again. In the absence of a strong US, it opens up opportunities for US adversaries.
    So other than trade, what is the US vital interest in that region? And how would the US enforce them?

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    We’ve been through all of this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    We’ve been through all of this
    Just don't advocating for US troops to get in the middle (I don't include SF as advisors in that). The neocons time in the spotlight is over.
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    Peter. You brought the issue up. I merely mention the cats away mice will play aspect in post #4. And yer on neocon time by post #7.

    No one is advocating US troops get in the middle of the issue you raised, allow the neocons amongst us to explain when US troops are required and why.

    As an example, the last time US troops were called for…..by Neocons….was during the Islamic State crisis. Indeed, this Neocon was calling for overt and direct US troop involvement and this Neocon explained why. This Neocon in utter disbelief in the comments coming from Member Peter1469, Member Ethereal, and Member donttread in the tpf forums. Who were advocating idle caution, covert action only, and useless words of condemnation.

    Obama eventually admitted he had been wrong. The British Government admitted their overly cautious response. Trump pressed overt and direct, he maintained the overt direct Neocon response to the Islamic State and that of course proved successful. But this forum isn’t going to discuss that fact. Admitting error not our forum’s best asset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Peter. You brought the issue up. I merely mention the cats away mice will play aspect in post #4. And yer on neocon time by post #7.

    No one is advocating US troops get in the middle of the issue you raised, allow the neocons amongst us to explain when US troops are required and why.

    As an example, the last time US troops were called for…..by Neocons….was during the Islamic State crisis. Indeed, this Neocon was calling for overt and direct US troop involvement and this Neocon explained why. This Neocon in utter disbelief in the comments coming from Member Peter1469, Member Ethereal, and Member donttread in the tpf forums. Who were advocating idle caution, covert action only, and useless words of condemnation.

    Obama eventually admitted he had been wrong. The British Government admitted their overly cautious response. Trump pressed overt and direct, he maintained the overt direct Neocon response to the Islamic State and that of course proved successful. But this forum isn’t going to discuss that fact. Admitting error not our forum’s best asset.
    The invasion of Iraq and the subsequent occupation (force-feeding them democracy whether they wanted it or not) was Necon 101.

    The occupation of Afghanistan and force-feeding them democracy whether they wanted it or not was Necon 101.

    What would Necon plans be if there was a war between Iran and Azerbijian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The invasion of Iraq and the subsequent occupation (force-feeding them democracy whether they wanted it or not) was Necon 101.
    Correct. The invasion of Iraq in 1991 was neocon 101. The subsequent sanction and economic ruin of Iraq was realpolitik 101. And got us attacked on 9-11.

    The occupation of Afghanistan and force-feeding them democracy whether they wanted it or not was Necon 101.
    That was Obama 101, again allow Neocons to explain to you neocon 101

    What would Necon plans be if there was a war between Iran and Azerbijian?
    Send the realpolitik ivory tower 101’s as cannon fodder and deflect fire from civilians.
    People who enter the US without our permission are illegal aliens and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the US legally

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