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    Socialism at Plymouth Rock: Getting the Thanksgiving story straight

    Even when lives depended on it, the first Americans (Euro-type) wouldn't work hard under a socialist system of governance.

    Socialism at Plymouth Rock: Getting the Thanksgiving story straight

    One thing to be thankful for this Thanksgiving is that it took the Pilgrims only a year or so to figure out that socialism was bad, both for individuals and communities as a whole.
    Four centuries ago, William Bradford, the first governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, stated flatly in his history of Plymouth that the Pilgrims had been wrong to think the “taking away of property and commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing, as if they were wiser than God.”


    According to Bradford, not long after the Pilgrims landed in 1620, they found that the collectivity they had instituted in the colony bred “confusion and discontent and retard[ed] much employment” because men did not want to work without pay for other men’s families. And so, a little more than a year after the first Thanksgiving, they decided to divide up the land they had so that everybody had a share and could grow what they wanted. Productivity increased, and the colony began to prosper, attracting more and more immigrants and ushering in the great migration from England, which soon resulted in such prosperity that New England became a wealth center for Great Britain.


    It’s too bad the failed socialist experiment at Plymouth Rock is not more prominently included in the Thanksgiving story. Perhaps it would make a difference to the 65% of Democrats who have a positive view of socialism today, including about half of millennials and Generation Zers who believe it would be preferable to our capitalist system.


    As it is, most public school children do not learn about the early decision by the Pilgrims to move quickly from a socialistlike economy to an economic system that provided property rights and incentives for work and productivity. They also know little of the genius of the Mayflower Compact, which called for “just and equal laws” and set the foundation for the principles that the founders employed when they established America’s government 150 years later.


    Instead, too many public schools emphasize the Native American story, which is important but so riddled with leftist ideas such as critical race theory that it doesn’t even get even the basic facts right.

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    It is no accident that our education system has distorted the Thanksgiving story and ignored both the Pilgrims’ failed socialist experiment and the importance of the Mayflower Compact. The “1619 Project ” produced by the New York Times, for example, was cynically named to challenge the dates we associate with the beginning of the American idea, including the 1776 signing of the Declaration of Independence and even the 1620 landing at Plymouth Rock. The goal of the “1619 Project” is not just to downplay the significance of the American founding but also to attack and destroy American capitalism. And yet it is this capitalist system that granted the Pilgrims, and millions of Americans since, the opportunity to thrive and prosper.


    History is dynamic, and there is always more to learn. But one thing is certain: The fact that the Pilgrims rejected socialism and nurtured the principles of liberty and freedom is important to who we are today — and is one more reason to be thankful this holiday season.
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    Same thing happened at Jamestown: Socialism at Jamestown.
    To be conservative, then, is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss. ― Michael Joseph Oakeshott, Rationalism in Politics and Other Essays

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Same thing happened at Jamestown: Socialism at Jamestown.
    Don't think I heard the details on that one, thanks.
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    I just read a similar article by John Stossel. https://townhall.com/columnists/john...ssons-n2616280
    God Bless America

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    The laws of economics don't change. Socialism was deadly back then and it's deadly now.

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    The above is why I bought my grandchildren the Rush Revere series. They're on the corny side, but I'm hoping it cut through the muddle for them. The bad news is, I bought them while they were too young. The good news is, they were in DoD schools, so maybe already know all that, and now that they're back from a 3-yr stint in Japan, Grandma can hopefully have her loving influence.

    *They were there because S-in-L is Army; both families are Republicans. Still, I think a few things slip through the cracks. Ain't that what the Grand's are for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cent View Post
    The above is why I bought my grandchildren the Rush Revere series. They're on the corny side, but I'm hoping it cut through the muddle for them. The bad news is, I bought them while they were too young. The good news is, they were in DoD schools, so maybe already know all that, and now that they're back from a 3-yr stint in Japan, Grandma can hopefully have her loving influence.

    *They were there because S-in-L is Army; both families are Republicans. Still, I think a few things slip through the cracks. Ain't that what the Grand's are for?
    I would hope Woke hasn't reached DoD schools. Although if it has, it will be lite. Imagine a Drag Queen read day on post. Someone will get beat down hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I would hope Woke hasn't reached DoD schools. Although if it has, it will be lite. Imagine a Drag Queen read day on post. Someone will get beat down hard.
    I'd certainly like to hope so, but with how Woke the military is getting, it's hard not to worry some about it trickling on down to the schools. For the present, the g-kids have to go to regular public schooling 'cuz there is no DoD school on Fort Sill.

    Yeah, I'm bummed. They're going to get behind, and are far too bright for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cent View Post
    I'd certainly like to hope so, but with how Woke the military is getting, it's hard not to worry some about it trickling on down to the schools. For the present, the g-kids have to go to regular public schooling 'cuz there is no DoD school on Fort Sill.

    Yeah, I'm bummed. They're going to get behind, and are far too bright for that.
    DoD schools ranked highest in a subject last year, math I think. Maybe that is how they didn't it. Just not go Woke, and teach math.
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