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    I'm armed, every single day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    The irony of gun huggers is the reason they are not sanely regulated is because people make money from their sales. It has nothing to do with the 2nd as the founders forgot greed is a greater motivator than intelligence and common sense.


    "In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud--I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. "In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."

    "Mass shootings are by now a standard part of American life. Preparing for them has become a ritual of childhood. It’s as American as Monday Night Football, and very nearly as frequent."

    https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archive...-of-childhood/

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


    "Fourteen-year-old boys are not part of a well-regulated militia. Members of wacky religious cults are not part of a well-regulated militia. Permitting unregulated citizens to have guns is destroying the security of this free state." Molly Ivins

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    Even if it were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Founders did not have private firearms ownership in mind when the Second Amendment was proposed and ratified, many things have changed in the last 230+ years. Not every appeal to originalism is sound and reasonable, as in hindsight we look at the Dred Scott decision, among others. We don't live in a predominately rural, farm-based society, our daily lives guided by longstanding traditions centered around the community, and most of us never will. In terms of the likelihood of any one of us becoming the victim of violent crime, life in pre-Revolutionary times was idyllic; to pretend otherwise is irrational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephenpe View Post
    It must be comforting to know who to blame for all the ills in your world. I can imagine how happy many of you would have been back in the day when you could "burn the witches" I guess being able to vent here about modern day "witches" has its benefits......
    The rise in violent crime and activists driven attacks against the police and the judicial system are facts not hysteria.

    Talk about a soap box rant of false moral superiority.
    Your Trump Derangement Syndrome is NOT my problem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephenpe View Post
    It must be comforting to know who to blame for all the ills in your world. I can imagine how happy many of you would have been back in the day when you could "burn the witches" I guess being able to vent here about modern day "witches" has its benefits......
    It is quite comforting. It's called "sanity". I'm not sure what you're on about with the "modern day witches" tripe, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montana View Post
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/handgun-o...n-reason-studyHandgun owners carrying daily in US doubled in 4 years; self-protection cited as main reason: study

    The number of respondents to the online survey who said they had carried a gun in the last month also nearly doubled from 9 million to 16 million in 2015
    Another example of the left not thinking about the consequences of their policies. They desperately want to eliminate all guns and yet they promote policies that encourage people to purchase guns.



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    We do not have to guess what the founding fathers were thinking when they wrote the 2nd amendment the evidence is easily attainable

    The Founding Fathers Explain The Second Amendment (thefederalistpapers.org)

    we have all of this talk about self defense, and Militia's

    The reason that the founding fathers wanted the people to be armed is so they could and would resist a tyrannical all-powerful government

    The reason that the left would see the country disarmed is because they are nearing the end of the people willingly going down the the path that leads to a socialist society where they are in complete control of the people

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    The irony of gun huggers is the reason they are not sanely regulated is because people make money from their sales. It has nothing to do with the 2nd as the founders forgot greed is a greater motivator than intelligence and common sense.


    "In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud--I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. "In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."

    "Mass shootings are by now a standard part of American life. Preparing for them has become a ritual of childhood. Itís as American as Monday Night Football, and very nearly as frequent."

    https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archive...-of-childhood/

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


    "Fourteen-year-old boys are not part of a well-regulated militia. Members of wacky religious cults are not part of a well-regulated militia. Permitting unregulated citizens to have guns is destroying the security of this free state." Molly Ivins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Even if it were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Founders did not have private firearms ownership in mind when the Second Amendment was proposed and ratified, many things have changed in the last 230+ years. Not every appeal to originalism is sound and reasonable, as in hindsight we look at the Dred Scott decision, among others. We don't live in a predominately rural, farm-based society, our daily lives guided by longstanding traditions centered around the community, and most of us never will. In terms of the likelihood of any one of us becoming the victim of violent crime, life in pre-Revolutionary times was idyllic; to pretend otherwise is irrational.
    Dred Scott isn't an originalist problem so far as Constitutional law goes. The Founders tabled the issue of slavery- the Constitution simply ignored the issue (outside of counting population for congressional district purposes). The 13th and 14th Amendment addresses the rights of the former slaves.


    Dred Scott was decided in 1857. The decision hinged on slaves and runaway slave not being US citizens so they had no standing to sue in federal court. (The case then goes into property rights of citizens.) But I am not sure that was a correct application of constitutional law in 1857. Non-citizens certainly don't have every right citizens do, but they do have some. IOW, SCOTUS got it wrong in 1857- they were bending the Constitution, likely because of their personal feelings about slavery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Booman View Post
    Another example of the left not thinking about the consequences of their policies. They desperately want to eliminate all guns and yet they promote policies that encourage people to purchase guns.

    Well, just look at who the top 2 people are, together they can't formulate a coherent sentence.

    Then look at who is probably their puppet master, a man who wanted to, "fundamentally change the U.S".
    "LET'S GO BRANDON!"

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