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Thread: Barrett urged to recuse herself from Supreme Court LGBT case over Christian faith

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    It is as simple as this, I will make you a wedding cake. No it can not be a phallus. I will not put anything I don't agree with on the cake, but here is a website that sells all sorts of cake decorations, and you can decorate it any way you wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Then I can refuse service to a Black?
    The real answer is depending on what they are asking for. Or what they are attempting to do. a Private Business owner can refuse service to anyone under the right conditions. You can't base it on a person's race, but if they are asking something that violates your rights then YES you can

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    An interesting discussion for the more serious section of the site, but the secular atheist left likes to define themselves into victory when they can. So, anything that relates to "morality" suddenly becomes a "religious" issue and therefore we can't legislate it or rule on it because it "establishes a religion". Then, if you are known to be religious, you must "recuse" yourself. An issue that almost never applies to the mostly atheist, secular left (70% of atheists identify as Democrat), or religious-in-name-only types like Sotomayor.

    But because the left's deeply held conviction that "anything goes" is "secular", it therefore has to be the overriding principle in all of these types of cases. I'd argue that the left's views are more religious and take more faith than many views on the right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    The real answer is depending on what they are asking for. Or what they are attempting to do. a Private Business owner can refuse service to anyone under the right conditions. You can't base it on a person's race, but if they are asking something that violates your rights then YES you can
    That is not something I could ever agree with. A private business owner ought to be able to refuse service to any individual or group based on no reason, or any reason he so chooses. Otherwise, it is forced labor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cent View Post
    That is not something I could ever agree with. A private business owner ought to be able to refuse service to any individual or group based on no reason, or any reason he so chooses. Otherwise, it is forced labor.
    Don't worry. That rule only applies to whites.

    I remember, gosh, back in 2000, I moved to South Carolina for a job. Being new to the area, and in need of a haircut, I pulled into a hair cutting establishment near my apartment. I walked in, and immediately got some funny looks from the 5 black ladies standing around their barber chairs. "We don't cut white folk hair in here," one said.

    Okay. I left. No skin off my nose and no $10 for them. I didn't feel the urge to sue. I was only moderately annoyed at having wasted the 5 minutes pulling into their parking lot and walking in. I knew they were racist. Oh well. Live and let live.

    Try that at a white barber shop or salon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cent View Post
    That is not something I could ever agree with. A private business owner ought to be able to refuse service to any individual or group based on no reason, or any reason he so chooses. Otherwise, it is forced labor.
    Spot on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Normal people!!?? Please define normal people, be specific.
    It is not necessary. The most accurate estimates place homosexuals at about 3.8% of the population. That is out well out of the "norm". Therefore, homosexuals are not "normal".

    I am left handed. Approximately 10% of the population is left handed. My particular demographic is also out the "norm" even though it is a segment of the population more than twice the size of the homosexual population. I wonder what would happen if all the left handers in the country or the world started whining and crying to become a "protected" class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cent View Post
    That is not something I could ever agree with. A private business owner ought to be able to refuse service to any individual or group based on no reason, or any reason he so chooses. Otherwise, it is forced labor.
    Initially I didn't think along those lines but you're right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    It is not necessary. The most accurate estimates place homosexuals at about 3.8% of the population. That is out well out of the "norm". Therefore, homosexuals are not "normal".

    I am left handed. Approximately 10% of the population is left handed. My particular demographic is also out the "norm" even though it is a segment of the population more than twice the size of the homosexual population. I wonder what would happen if all the left handers in the country or the world started whining and crying to become a "protected" class.

    Left-handed here too. I wouldn't ask for protections considering where they come from, the government, and they rarely turn out good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Left-handed here too. I wouldn't ask for protections considering where they come from, the government, and they rarely turn out good.
    True.

    I also just can't picture myself demanding special treatment because of something in my genetic code. There should be no special or protected classes. That includes those covered by the ADA.
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