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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Chris one thing has always been a certaintly since the minute I registered on this forum and that is that most of the time I cant figure out your threads lol...Merry Christmas Chris
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yes, when he writes of the conserving logic integrating us with being, nature, and culture being inverted.
    Guenon develops some of the same themes. This inversion or "bottom up" restructuring of of our social and intellectual worlds (desacralization?) seems to be a common observation or complaint of traditionalists.
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    Finished The of the Modern World. Impressed.
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    Just started it. Just read this

    “A word that rose to honor at the time of the Renaissance, and that summarized in advance the whole program of modern civilization is 'humanism'. Men were indeed concerned to reduce everything to purely human proportions, to eliminate every principle of a higher order, and, one might say, symbolically to turn away from the heavens under pretext of conquering the earth; the Greeks, whose example they claimed to follow, had never gone as far in this direction, even at the time of their greatest intellectual decadence, and with them utilitarian considerations had at least never claimed the first place, as they were very soon to do with the moderns. Humanism was form of what has subsequently become contemporary secularism; and, owing to its desire to reduce everything to the measure of man as an end in himself, modern civilization has sunk stage by stage until it has reached the level of the lowest elements in man and aims at little more than satisfying the needs inherent in the material side of his nature, an aim that is in any case quite illusory since it constantly creates more artificial needs than it can satisfy.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Just started it. Just read this

    “A word that rose to honor at the time of the Renaissance, and that summarized in advance the whole program of modern civilization is 'humanism'. Men were indeed concerned to reduce everything to purely human proportions, to eliminate every principle of a higher order, and, one might say, symbolically to turn away from the heavens under pretext of conquering the earth; the Greeks, whose example they claimed to follow, had never gone as far in this direction, even at the time of their greatest intellectual decadence, and with them utilitarian considerations had at least never claimed the first place, as they were very soon to do with the moderns. Humanism was form of what has subsequently become contemporary secularism; and, owing to its desire to reduce everything to the measure of man as an end in himself, modern civilization has sunk stage by stage until it has reached the level of the lowest elements in man and aims at little more than satisfying the needs inherent in the material side of his nature, an aim that is in any case quite illusory since it constantly creates more artificial needs than it can satisfy.”

    ― René Guénon, The Crisis of the Modern World
    I enjoy his rhetorical style. I also found this book more digestible than I expected it to be.

    Guenon became a Muslim, BTW. He reasined that Islam was the only remaining Tradition that was accessible to Europeans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I enjoy his rhetorical style. I also found this book more digestible than I expected it to be.

    Guenon became a Muslim, BTW. He reasined that Islam was the only remaining Tradition that was accessible to Europeans.

    Yes, very readable. His breadth of knowledge of cultures and history is something too. Reminds me a bit of Giambattista Vico, The New Science. I'm reminded too of Julius Evola, Revolt Against the Modern World.
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    Yes, very readable. His breadth of knowledge of cultures and history is something too. Reminds me a bit of Giambattista Vico, The New Science. I'm reminded too of Julius Evola, Revolt Against the Modern World.
    IIRC, he was an influence on Evola.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    IIRC, he was an influence on Evola.
    Just ordered Rene Guenon: A Teacher for Modern Times by Evola.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I want to read Men Among The Ruins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I want to read Men Among The Ruins.
    Yea, but after I finish Revolt, one of those books I pick up now and then.
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