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He did. This is my novice attempt at regurgitating it, so I'm throwing that disclaimer out there. It is quite a nuanced argument.Originally Posted by FindersKeepers
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He did. This is my novice attempt at regurgitating it, so I'm throwing that disclaimer out there. It is quite a nuanced argument.
“The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.”
― H.L. Mencken
FindersKeepers (01-01-2023)
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Interestingly enough, Heisenberg, a pioneer of quantum theory, and classically educated found quantum mechanics reminiscent of Aristotle's concept of actual and potential.
“The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.”
― H.L. Mencken
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Modern science tells us the accidental reality of the pointy headed atheist is wrong and Dawkins a Dunce. So it comes down to your conception of what constitutes God or creative power in the Universe.
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LescoBrandon (12-31-2022)
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The simplest explanation that matches our observations is usually the better explanation.
Something exists. Therefore something has always existed. Something has no beginning nor can it have an ending.
No gods are required.
Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.
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Again, vague. I also agree that "something has always existed". Something that is pure actuality has no potentiality to not exist, and therefore is eternal. That cannot be said for everything else that exists at present. You'll have to make a more specific, supported argument. The nature of "what" has always existed would be the difference in our two opinions here.
“The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.”
― H.L. Mencken
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The simplest explanation that matches our observations is usually the better explanation.
Something exists. Therefore something has always existed. Something has no beginning nor can it have an ending.
No gods are required.
It is not vague.
It is very specific. Something exists today. We have no examples of nothing. And we have no examples of something arising from nothing.
Therefore, because something exists today something has always existed.
Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.
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Something exists. Yet you are not eternal. The atoms in your body are not even past eternal, nor are they eternal in the future. Most of the atoms in your body were created in stars, and are contingent.
So your answer is indeed vague. Try again.
“The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.”
― H.L. Mencken
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I did not say I am eternal. I said something is eternal.
Open your mind.
Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.
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In the other thread, I also come to the conclusion that something is eternal, lol. You are still very vague.
“The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.”
― H.L. Mencken
Mister D (12-31-2022)
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It is not vague. It is specific.
If the god you believe in is something, then your belief is identical to mine, something, because it exists at this point has always existed and will always exist. Your burden is to prove that your god is something, that your god exists.
Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.
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