Is god-belief beneficial?

[MisterVeritis]

The grotesque kill numbers attributed to Stalin have been proven to be mostly false. Stalin was a horrible and brutal individual, however the number of executions carried out by his regime were just under 1 million - mostly party officials and Red Army officers, between 1937 and 1938. Many people died under the harsh conditions in gulags from cold, hunger, and exposure, but most during the collectivization famine of 1930-32 which accounted for around 6–8 million deaths. In total there were at most 10 million deaths for which his regime can be held fully or partially to blame.

Contrary to common opinion, Hitler was not an atheist. In fact he hated atheists. He abandoned the Catholic Church, but remained a life long Christian. His body count is truly epic, but putting aside the millions of deaths of all combatants and those who died because of the bombings, he is responsible for the direct murders of close to 2 million in the death camps alone, based on the Nazi's own records. This doesn't include the huge numbers who were either worked or marched to death, nor all of the people who were simply executed by the Nazis in their homes or on the streets.

The best estimate I found on line says almost seventeen million were murdered including about six million Jews.

[LescoBrandon]

The grotesque kill numbers attributed to Stalin have been proven to be mostly false. Stalin was a horrible and brutal individual, however the number of executions carried out by his regime were just under 1 million - mostly party officials and Red Army officers, between 1937 and 1938. Many people died under the harsh conditions in gulags from cold, hunger, and exposure, but most during the collectivization famine of 1930-32 which accounted for around 6–8 million deaths. In total there were at most 10 million deaths for which his regime can be held fully or partially to blame.

Contrary to common opinion, Hitler was not an atheist. In fact he hated atheists. He abandoned the Catholic Church, but remained a life long Christian. His body count is truly epic, but putting aside the millions of deaths of all combatants and those who died because of the bombings, he is responsible for the direct murders of close to 2 million in the death camps alone, based on the Nazi's own records. This doesn't include the huge numbers who were either worked or marched to death, nor all of the people who were simply executed by the Nazis in their homes or on the streets.

Nietzsche was one of Hitler's heroes.

[countryboy]

The grotesque kill numbers attributed to Stalin have been proven to be mostly false. Stalin was a horrible and brutal individual, however the number of executions carried out by his regime were just under 1 million - mostly party officials and Red Army officers, between 1937 and 1938. Many people died under the harsh conditions in gulags from cold, hunger, and exposure, but most during the collectivization famine of 1930-32 which accounted for around 6–8 million deaths. In total there were at most 10 million deaths for which his regime can be held fully or partially to blame.

Contrary to common opinion, Hitler was not an atheist. In fact he hated atheists. He abandoned the Catholic Church, but remained a life long Christian. His body count is truly epic, but putting aside the millions of deaths of all combatants and those who died because of the bombings, he is responsible for the direct murders of close to 2 million in the death camps alone, based on the Nazi's own records. This doesn't include the huge numbers who were either worked or marched to death, nor all of the people who were simply executed by the Nazis in their homes or on the streets.

Stalin wasn't that bad, and Hitler was a Christian. You've reached a new low that I wouldn't have thought possible.

[Dr. Who]

Nietzsche was one of Hitler's heroes.

"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out."Adolf Hitler - “The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939”

"Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years."
Adolf Hitler - “The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939”


"We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls . . .

We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity . . . in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.."
(Hitler speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich])

[LescoBrandon]

"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out."Adolf Hitler - “The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939”

"Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years."
Adolf Hitler - “The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939”


"We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls . . .

We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity . . . in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.."
(Hitler speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich])

Those are the lies he told. Then....

“I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie,” Hitler confessed (audio transcribed in“Hitler’s Table Talk”[1941-44]). “It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field [to be labeled a Christian].”

“To whom should propaganda be addressed?” he wrote. “It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses. … The whole art consists in doing this so skillfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real.”

“In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.”

[Dr. Who]

Stalin wasn't that bad, and Hitler was a Christian. You've reached a new low that I wouldn't have thought possible.

Stalin was bad, but he was not worse than Hitler, who was a Christian. The assertion was that atheism is responsible for the unconscionable number of deaths in the 20th century.

[zelmo1234]

I did not make that claim.
What is sin?

For the believer it is breaking one of Gods laws. For the non-believer, it would be up to them to decide would it not! Like the point I was trying to make in the other thread. And I hope that you saw the last post! If it is up to man? Then why not take everything that you can?

[zelmo1234]

I am here because something is eternal. Not because of a mythical god.
If your gods are not powerless are they evil? They do allow millions of innocent men, women, and children to be brutalized and murdered.

We are not going to start the free will thing again are we. If you believe in God you believe that he created man in his image and with free will. So man does have a choice to follow the teaching of, in my case the Christian God, or to follow his own path.

As for preventing evil? Why would A just and righteous God show mercy on those that mock his existence? Wouldn't that be Hypocritical?

[zelmo1234]

I am here because something is eternal. Not because of a mythical god.
If you gods are not powerless are they evil? They do allow millions of innocent men, women, and children to be brutalized and murdered.
Since you are conversing with me and not "Leftists" perhaps we could focus on the points I am making.
I think you believe your gods are kind, loving gods. Don't you?
Would a kind, loving god idly stand by while a child is brutalized and murdered? Pretty lousy god if you ask me.

Well if we are talking about the Christian God then he says that he knew you before you were born. Would a just God show mercy to a people that kill about a million of his children in the womb every year?

I guess what I am trying to say is that it is the evil in the hearts of men that cause terrible things to happen. If everyone in the world followed the 10 commandments none of these things would happen, would they

[MisterVeritis]

What is sin?

For the believer it is breaking one of Gods laws. For the non-believer, it would be up to them to decide would it not! Like the point I was trying to make in the other thread. And I hope that you saw the last post! If it is up to man? Then why not take everything that you can?

So if there are no gods there are no sins.

Do you think your right to life means you are the only actor with a right to life?

You claimed you would threaten to kill me and take what I possess. I, too, have a right to my life. If you came to steal from me I would stop you, violently if necessary, even if it meant your death.

Every living thing has a right to its life and a right to defend itself from every other living thing.

Why is this so hard to understand?