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    Military considering back pay for troops kicked out over vax mandate

    Reinstatement and maybe back pay. However, if they will be nondeployable, that raises several problems.

    Military considering back pay for troops kicked out over vax mandate

    The Pentagon is looking into the possibility of back pay for former service members discharged for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine mandate, which was formally canceled last week.


    Opponents of the military’s vaccine mandate have long called for the more than 8,400 troops discharged for non-compliance to be reinstated with back pay. The door to reinstatement for these troops had already been opened in Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s memo ending the mandate.



    And a Pentagon spokesperson confirmed to POLITICO on Friday that back pay hasn’t been ruled out.


    “Regarding back pay, the Department is still exploring this and will provide its views on legislation of this nature at the appropriate time and through the appropriate process,” said Pentagon spokesperson Maj. Charlie Dietz in a Friday email to POLITICO.



    Austin’s memo ending the vaccine mandate had allowed for troops to request a correction to their discharge records, paving the way for them to reenlist. It also provided for letters of reprimand and other punishments to be reversed for troops who applied for exemptions that were denied.


    The memo said that no troops are to be discharged “solely on the basis” of COVID-19 vaccine refusal “if they sought an accommodation on religious, administrative, or medical grounds.” All ongoing reviews of exemption requests were to end.


    However, it still allows for commanders to take individual soldiers’ immunization status into account when “making deployment, assignment, or other operational decisions.”
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    Stupid idea. The disobeyed a lawful order. Whether that order was later rescinded should be completely irrelevant.

    what are they going to do the next time a bunch of weak assed crybabies decides they don't like an order and pull the same stunt? The military screwed this up from the get-go. Every one of them, or at least those who could not present evidence that refusal to accept vaccinations was an established part of their religious doctrine should have been brought up on charges an given as a minimum, a BCD.

    The actions of the current leadership did nothing but encourage disobedience. They promoted a major breach of military discipline and everyone involved in the decision making process should be relieved of any command he might hold.
    “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” - Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Stupid idea. The disobeyed a lawful order. Whether that order was later rescinded should be completely irrelevant.

    what are they going to do the next time a bunch of weak assed crybabies decides they don't like an order and pull the same stunt? The military screwed this up from the get-go. Every one of them, or at least those who could not present evidence that refusal to accept vaccinations was an established part of their religious doctrine should have been brought up on charges an given as a minimum, a BCD.

    The actions of the current leadership did nothing but encourage disobedience. They promoted a major breach of military discipline and everyone involved in the decision making process should be relieved of any command he might hold.
    What are your thoughts on legislation overruling a lawful order from the president, or even an officer.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    What are your thoughts on legislation overruling a lawful order from the president, or even an officer.?
    The Constitution designates the President as Commander in Chief. As long as the orders he gives are legal under the UCMJ and the treaties governing the laws of land warfare, I think any attempt by Congress to overrule those orders, whether by legislation or just stomping their feet and holding their breath is overstepping and outside their lane and raises serious constitutional issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    What are your thoughts on legislation overruling a lawful order from the president, or even an officer.?
    The Constitution designates the President as Commander in Chief. As long as the orders he gives are legal under the UCMJ and the treaties governing the laws of land warfare, I think any attempt by Congress to overrule those orders, whether by legislation or just stomping their feet and holding their breath is overstepping and outside their lane and raises serious constitutional issues.

    In the case of an officer, I think that is an internal military matter that should be handled by the Chain of Command and is not an issue for Congress to decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    The Constitution designates the President as Commander in Chief. As long as the orders he gives are legal under the UCMJ and the treaties governing the laws of land warfare, I think any attempt by Congress to overrule those orders, whether by legislation or just stomping their feet and holding their breath is overstepping and outside their lane and raises serious constitutional issues.

    In the case of an officer, I think that is an internal military matter that should be handled by the Chain of Command and is not an issue for Congress to decide.
    I agree. Has anyone brought that up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Stupid idea. The disobeyed a lawful order. Whether that order was later rescinded should be completely irrelevant.

    what are they going to do the next time a bunch of weak assed crybabies decides they don't like an order and pull the same stunt? The military screwed this up from the get-go. Every one of them, or at least those who could not present evidence that refusal to accept vaccinations was an established part of their religious doctrine should have been brought up on charges an given as a minimum, a BCD.

    The actions of the current leadership did nothing but encourage disobedience. They promoted a major breach of military discipline and everyone involved in the decision making process should be relieved of any command he might hold.
    You're a lying sack of shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    The Constitution designates the President as Commander in Chief. As long as the orders he gives are legal under the UCMJ and the treaties governing the laws of land warfare, I think any attempt by Congress to overrule those orders, whether by legislation or just stomping their feet and holding their breath is overstepping and outside their lane and raises serious constitutional issues.
    You really are a fucking idiot, aren't you?

    The congress shall have the power to make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces.

    The congress has the power to raise armies and support navies, to declare war, and to make rules and regulations for the armed forces. The president is merely there to carry out the will of the congress, not to act as some kind of monarch or emperor, as you seem to believe.

    Just STFU already and take your fiber.
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