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Thread: Goodbye Fort Bragg, Hello Fort Liberty

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    I really hate this pandering bull$#@!. Fort Bragg is home to two of the finest military units in the world... The 82d Airborne and the Special Forces. The name is synonymous with those units.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    No, the only "tradition" that's changing is the end of naming military bases after traitors to the United States. Of the 10 bases named after confederate soldiers, the other 9 are being renamed after people.

    https://www.cbs17.com/news/naming-co...-fort-liberty/
    Just a quick glance suggests they're removing the names of Democrats and replacing them with Republican names. It's about time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    No, the only "tradition" that's changing is the end of naming military bases after traitors to the United States. Of the 10 bases named after confederate soldiers, the other 9 are being renamed after people.

    https://www.cbs17.com/news/naming-co...-fort-liberty/
    Richard, you ignorant $#@!. The true traitors were those officers who supported ignoring the Constitution and the ideals of the Founding Fathers. You are one of those stupidly uneducated people who believe the War Between The States was entirely about slavery. The true reason for this war was the belief that the Federal Government was to be subservient to the several states. Slavery was certainly a factor but far from the only factor. Those Confederate Officers believed in their states first and the tyranny of the federal government secondly. You are one of those semi government school educated buffoons who would gladly sell out the promises of the Founding Fathers.
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    Did you know that 83 active soldiers died at Fort Bragg over the last 18 months?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    No, the only "tradition" that's changing is the end of naming military bases after traitors to the United States. Of the 10 bases named after confederate soldiers, the other 9 are being renamed after people.

    https://www.cbs17.com/news/naming-co...-fort-liberty/
    Well DICK you do understand that those bases named after southern generals was to show the U.S. was once again united. TRAITORS
    ? Iwonder why they received U.S. military pensions same as union soldiers DICK
    ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLD GUY IN FLORIDA View Post
    Richard, you ignorant $#@!. The true traitors were those officers who supported ignoring the Constitution and the ideals of the Founding Fathers. You are one of those stupidly uneducated people who believe the War Between The States was entirely about slavery. The true reason for this war was the belief that the Federal Government was to be subservient to the several states. Slavery was certainly a factor but far from the only factor. Those Confederate Officers believed in their states first and the tyranny of the federal government secondly. You are one of those semi government school educated buffoons who would gladly sell out the promises of the Founding Fathers.
    At the time of the Civil War, secession was considered a logical and honorable solution to irreconcilable differences between the states and the federal government. It was even taught as such in ethics classes at the US Military Academy at West Point. Another thing that people don't take into account is that people of that era still saw their states as independent sovereign entities entered into a voluntary compact with the other states. People didn't really identify as "American". Bragg was a North Carolinian. Lee was a Virginian. When Lee for example, resigned his commission and went back to Virginia, he wasn't committing an act of treason. He was doing the honorable thing and returning to serve his state.
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    Prior to the War Between The States people thought of themselves as citizens of their respective states. You were a North Carolinian or Virginian or Floridian first and an American citizen second. When the Federal government started passing tariffs that hindered the economic progress of the Southern States this bred resentment of that Federal government. The issue of slavery was not that the Federal government was going to end slavery in the Southern States but was not going to allow the expansion of slavery to new states or territories. This would have put the Southern states at a severe disadvantage its representation in Congress (rightly or wrongly). Keep in mind there was no pending legislation or even much discussion on ending slavery on a National level so the South didn't want to split from the Union for the sole purpose of keeping its slaves. Also keep in mind the Southern states did not want to take over the national government but to create a separate state, not unlike the "separatist" states we see in many European and Asian countries today.

    Would we have been better off with The United States of America and a separate Confederate States of America? History would have been far different if we had. The First and Second World Wars would undoubtable have had a different outcome if that had happened. The economy of the South would have suffered as much or more than the havoc caused by the war but, as a Southerner, I can certainly understand the mind set of the people of the Ante Bellum South. I also fervently believe slavery would have ended on its own because of increased technological innovation in farming practices and the cheap labor of the slave would have become far more expensive and the idea of owning another human being would have become abhorrent and phased out by law eventually. I also believe had slavery ended of its own accord race relations would have been far different if that had happened.
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    At least they did not go full woke and call them Fort Diversity, Fort Equity...
    Let's go Brandon !!!

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    No matter how you feel about the Confederacy this still smacks of old Soviet style rewriting of history and erasing the disfavored for current political reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    Did you know that 83 active soldiers died at Fort Bragg over the last 18 months?
    Training accidents were how many of those?
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