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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Excess deaths historically do not deviate more than 2-3%. Countries are seeing a 10-15% deviation. That is why that is tracked.
    They are man made estimates. 2020 numbers were fudged completely. So if you are saying they were close in 2021 then you have to say they used a scientific method for which they had none. Same with 2022. They did not know if COVID would mutate or not. Estimated deaths before COVID were easy. Basically they were based on death rates with adjustment for birth rates and average life spans.
    A reduction in 2020 estimated deaths was impossible. No excuse was given but they were were most likely adjusting for their overestimates of 2016 - 2019. aka fudging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    They are man made estimates. 2020 numbers were fudged completely. So if you are saying they were close in 2021 then you have to say they used a scientific method for which they had none. Same with 2022. They did not know if COVID would mutate or not. Estimated deaths before COVID were easy. Basically they were based on death rates with adjustment for birth rates and average life spans.
    A reduction in 2020 estimated deaths was impossible. No excuse was given but they were were most likely adjusting for their overestimates of 2016 - 2019. aka fudging.
    Year by year they do not deviate more than 2-3%. Now most countries are reporting a large deviation for 2021 so there is that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    This guy and the Epoch times are BS publications not worth any thoughtful person's time. If there was a connection with vaccines, which appears to be the assumption here, I think it would be clear, but nowhere is that data provided. Last I checked people die all the time. Cause is often easy to determine and thus it should be known. But instead you get graphs that mean nothing we didn't already know. On a personal level in our large extended family with numerous friends, no one has died and all are vaccinated and boosted.

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    Excess deaths have happened because of COVID, obviously not the vaccine for COVID. Does everyone know that, or do people actually believe that vaccines are harming people in large numbers, or even moderate numbers? If people believe this stuff, that's pretty wild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Year by year they do not deviate more than 2-3%. Now most countries are reporting a large deviation for 2021 so there is that.
    People are still dying of COVID. Why would that surprise you? We have more drug deaths. More suicides. Homicide is up. These estimated death numbers are not made at the beginning of each year. They sit down and make them for blocks of years at a time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Now_What View Post
    Excess deaths have happened because of COVID, obviously not the vaccine for COVID. Does everyone know that, or do people actually believe that vaccines are harming people in large numbers, or even moderate numbers? If people believe this stuff, that's pretty wild.
    Either way is an assumption. We know they fudged cause of death.

    Death by vaccine depends on proper reporting of cause of death. We know that has not been happening and has been politicized or monetized.

    So when people say it is all the vaccine then they have no proof. When they say it is all COVID then they have no reliable proof. Depending on which answer you like, you can point to the estimated death numbers and claim what you believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    Either way is an assumption. We know they fudged cause of death.

    Death by vaccine depends on proper reporting of cause of death. We know that has not been happening and has been politicized or monetized.

    So when people say it is all the vaccine then they have no proof. When they say it is all COVID then they have no reliable proof. Depending on which answer you like, you can point to the estimated death numbers and claim what you believe.
    Hundreds of thousands of people tied of COVID before the vaccine was even out. We know it killed a whole lot of people. The same can't be said for the vaccine. In fact, I don't know that realistically, a single person has died from the vaccine. But we know that isn't the case with COVID. The two aren't nearly the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    It's not my opinion. In fact, I specified that my opinion AGREED with Kirsch's thought that Covid was a GoF-produced virus.

    But, opinion should never be treated as fact. Kirsch is an opportunist (my opinion) and he got pissy because Gates would not fund his alternative treatment.

    Epoch Times has an agenda. It's an anti-Chinese agenda, and a pro-Falun-Gong agenda.

    They're garnering support from certain sectors in our nation.

    There is something called "journalistic integrity" and it's waning these days, but ET doesn't have any integrity.

    They need to cite their sources. If they can't, then we can't believe them. If they're on the up and up, they'll cite original sources that are reputable.

    Media outlet should earn our respect through a show of integrity.
    An anti Chinese agenda? Oh the humanity. Every American should have an anti Chinese agenda. I'll dismiss the rest of what you said out of hand, unless you can come up with something concrete that they have misreported on. Where are your sources for your claims about this Kirsch fellow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Now_What View Post
    Hundreds of thousands of people tied of COVID before the vaccine was even out. We know it killed a whole lot of people. The same can't be said for the vaccine. In fact, I don't know that realistically, a single person has died from the vaccine. But we know that isn't the case with COVID. The two aren't nearly the same.
    How many people do you know personally that died of COVID?

    Plus in the first months they were killing them with treatments meant for the flu. Once they stopped using the respirators aggressively, the deaths dropped. Timing? We don't know. Everyone is speculating.

    I'm sure that the CDC and Medical Groups in the USA are lying about anti-virals because I do know too many people that could not shake COVID that were cured in days using antivrals after suffering for many weeks. We know young kids were not dying of COVID but some did after the vaccine. But it is all circumstantial evidence.

    You trust the CDC. I think they should be disbanded and recreated with strict rules to keep them out of politics and not be put in a position to gain personally based on a result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    This guy and the Epoch times are BS publications not worth any thoughtful person's time. If there was a connection with vaccines, which appears to be the assumption here, I think it would be clear, but nowhere is that data provided. Last I checked people die all the time. Cause is often easy to determine and thus it should be known. But instead you get graphs that mean nothing we didn't already know. On a personal level in our large extended family with numerous friends, no one has died and all are vaccinated and boosted.

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    Talk about a bias, just because you and your family skated and didn't get sick "that you know of" you think that it's not possible for anyone else to have had an adverse reaction.
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