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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Factory work? Been there done that. I ran a big printer/slitter press making large corrugated boxes. Yes, at a cardboard box factory, lol. I actually enjoyed that job immensely. Semi-technical work, setting up the machine with precise dimensions, and print registration for multiple color print jobs. It's where I met my wife.



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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkTheSlayer View Post



    I love that song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I love that song.
    I was noticing it's got over 140 million views!
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    There is a reason it is called the American Dream. That is because nothing is handed to you, you need to work for that vision.

    What we are seeing now is a lowered standard of living in the name of Equity for all but the wealthy few in this country, and most of them very progressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    We are told on a daily basis that the American Dream is Dead, and many in this country are no longer able to make it or even provide for their families.

    It is blamed on Race, Poverty, Sexual orientation, insert any other reason, but is there a fix.

    I would like to explore some of the reasoning, and see why nothing is being done.
    It ain't quite what it used to be when our economy was falsely bolstered by rebuilding Europe in the 50's, 60's and early 70's. In small town America a man could go from high school to local mill, and raise a family in their own home on just his salary. If they wanted the high life she worked part time.
    So I don't see that coming back but there are still opportunities. If I remember correctly your parent's salary is the biggest predictor of yours statistically. Yet there are exceptions. Many and achieving your parents lifestyle is not so bad for most of us.

    I believe that our arguments as a society (are they lazy as a group in the inner city?, or is invisible racism the problem) do not directly address the most obvious issue. Whatever caused it over time the inner city is toxic to children Yet all of us, lib and con alike, are paying taxes to set up more single moms in an apartment in the ghetto EVERY DAY. Does that make sense? Try breaking up the ghetto a little bit! Move some of the moms in to a near by working class neighborhood, work with them and that community and see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    The main thing that holds people back is laziness, an aversion to hard work.
    to some extent I agree with you, but if you can't read or do simple math, there is a ceiling to what you can do in life.

    I think that No Child Left Behind and Everyone gets a Trophy actually is teaching our children to expect rather than earn things in life. So to that extent I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    to some extent I agree with you, but if you can't read or do simple math, there is a ceiling to what you can do in life.

    I think that No Child Left Behind and Everyone gets a Trophy actually is teaching our children to expect rather than earn things in life. So to that extent I agree.
    Great points zelmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    It ain't quite what it used to be when our economy was falsely bolstered by rebuilding Europe in the 50's, 60's and early 70's. In small town America a man could go from high school to local mill, and raise a family in their own home on just his salary. If they wanted the high life she worked part time.
    So I don't see that coming back but there are still opportunities. If I remember correctly your parent's salary is the biggest predictor of yours statistically. Yet there are exceptions. Many and achieving your parents lifestyle is not so bad for most of us.

    I believe that our arguments as a society (are they lazy as a group in the inner city?, or is invisible racism the problem) do not directly address the most obvious issue. Whatever caused it over time the inner city is toxic to children Yet all of us, lib and con alike, are paying taxes to set up more single moms in an apartment in the ghetto EVERY DAY. Does that make sense? Try breaking up the ghetto a little bit! Move some of the moms in to a near by working class neighborhood, work with them and that community and see what happens.
    One major opposing opinion. Don't move them. Move those that seek out the opportunities and deserve it. Moving drug queens makes no sense. Moving welfare forever families makes not sense. You really need a family that want to break out and want to work for it.
    Had someone paid for my college, then I guarantee that I would have flunked out of everything but partying. I worked so hard to pay my bills and tuition, then all that mattered was doing well. I found out later that I could have claimed to be independent and have had minimal tuition. Had I known and taken advantage of that then I guarantee that I would have flunked out.

    40% drop out in the first year.

    I don't feel bad for what I or anyone was handed. I feel bad that so many are told they can't make it.
    Last edited by carolina73; 01-29-2023 at 09:17 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    It ain't quite what it used to be when our economy was falsely bolstered by rebuilding Europe in the 50's, 60's and early 70's. In small town America a man could go from high school to local mill, and raise a family in their own home on just his salary. If they wanted the high life she worked part time.
    So I don't see that coming back but there are still opportunities. If I remember correctly your parent's salary is the biggest predictor of yours statistically. Yet there are exceptions. Many and achieving your parents lifestyle is not so bad for most of us.

    I believe that our arguments as a society (are they lazy as a group in the inner city?, or is invisible racism the problem) do not directly address the most obvious issue. Whatever caused it over time the inner city is toxic to children Yet all of us, lib and con alike, are paying taxes to set up more single moms in an apartment in the ghetto EVERY DAY. Does that make sense? Try breaking up the ghetto a little bit! Move some of the moms in to a near by working class neighborhood, work with them and that community and see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    One major opposing opinion. Don't move them. Move those that seek out the opportunities and deserve it. Moving drug queens makes no sense. Moving welfare forever families makes not sense. You really need a family that want to break out and want to work for it.
    Had someone paid for my college, then I guarantee that I would have flunked out of everything but partying. I worked so hard to pay my bills and tuition, then all that mattered was doing well. I found out later that I could have claimed to be independent and have had minimal tuition. Had I known and taken advantage of that then I guarantee that I would have flunked out.

    40% drop out in the first year.

    I don't feel bad for what I or anyone was handed. I feel bad that so many are told they can't make it.
    There would be an application process.

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