The Limits of Liberty

[carolina73]

I'm not arguing those things. I'm not arguing the way the government fights drugs is best or even good. I'm just arguing there are no victimless crimes.

Sure but trying to use that line of thought 100% removes freewill. When you breath air you are upsetting the global CO2 levels. If you have a drug addict kid and decide to let him stay in the house, then you chose to make yourself the victim. You made a victim out of yourself. Not that given that choice, I would have tossed one of my kids out, but that means that I would have chosen to be a victim. And my kids like many others were far from perfect and I had my share of sleepless nights. But I can't blame the inanimate object.

[Chris]

Sure but trying to use that line of thought 100% removes freewill. When you breath air you are upsetting the global CO2 levels. If you have a drug addict kid and decide to let him stay in the house, then you chose to make yourself the victim. You made a victim out of yourself. Not that given that choice, I would have tossed one of my kids out, but that means that I would have chosen to be a victim. And my kids like many others were far from perfect and I had my share of sleepless nights. But I can't blame the inanimate object.

Yet people do choose to be victims or not.

What about the little druggies who wander the neighborhoods breaking into vehicles or postoffice boxes to steal to feed their habits? I belong to a neighborhood forum where that's constantly posted.

[carolina73]

Yet people do choose to be victims or not.

What about the little druggies who wander the neighborhoods breaking into vehicles or postoffice boxes to steal to feed their habits? I belong to a neighborhood forum where that's constantly posted.

Arrest them. Making drugs illegal did not stop any of that and actually creates criminal behavior.

My proof. Drugs are already illegal and your neighborhood is already the victim.

No doubt that in your area, it is even worse because most drugs flow by your house due to the illegal trafficking. Making it legal would severely cut that flow by your house.

Illegal drugs create crime just like prohibition did. Now alcohol travel by your house in a truck, instead of in a backpack of an illegal breaking into your car in search of money or something they can use.

[Peter1469]

Yet people do choose to be victims or not.

What about the little druggies who wander the neighborhoods breaking into vehicles or postoffice boxes to steal to feed their habits? I belong to a neighborhood forum where that's constantly posted.

Around here it seems people's cars are broken into if they leave their cell phone there (in plain sight). Even change in the center dash is left. Radios, not touched. He had two people lose catalytic converters.

[Chris]

Arrest them. Making drugs illegal did not stop any of that and actually creates criminal behavior.

My proof. Drugs are already illegal and your neighborhood is already the victim.

No doubt that in your area, it is even worse because most drugs flow by your house due to the illegal trafficking. Making it legal would severely cut that flow by your house.

Illegal drugs create crime just like prohibition did. Now alcohol travel by your house in a truck, instead of in a backpack of an illegal breaking into your car in search of money or something they can use.

I could agree if drugs themselves, recreational drugs, did not make most people unproductive, useless drains on society.

[Chris]

Around here it seems people's cars are broken into if they leave their cell phone there (in plain sight). Even change in the center dash is left. Radios, not touched. He had two people lose catalytic converters.

Right, the little thieves will take anything. Lock, alarm, leave nothing visible. I once, long ago, had my spare tire stolen, so now I use a bike lock cable.