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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    So.... how do you end it?
    Wars end when one side defeats the other or they decide to negotiate a peace that will last long enough to get them to the next war.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Russia had limited objectives. It still does. Of course it can win and very likely will.
    How?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    How?
    By meeting its limited objectives then moving to a war of attrition, which it will win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    How?
    Listen to the media and you think Russia is losing. Listen to those on the ground and you find out Ukraine is losing. Ukraine does not have the training, the resources or the tech to win and much of what the west is sending ends up on the black market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    By meeting its limited objectives then moving to a war of attrition, which it will win.
    When will this happen?

    What are these limited objectives?
    Last edited by LWW; 02-01-2023 at 03:52 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    When will this happen?

    What are these limited objectives?
    It has substantially happened already. I would expect to see an offensive designed to destroy the Ukrainian military before aligning their Russian forces along defensible terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Listen to the media and you think Russia is losing. Listen to those on the ground and you find out Ukraine is losing. Ukraine does not have the training, the resources or the tech to win and much of what the west is sending ends up on the black market.
    I think a great deal of that is propaganda. Ukraine has pushed back Russia to a loss of 50% of its initial gains that was created by a surprise surge that most thought was a bluff.

    The question is if Russia wins a war of attrition before Russia loses the propaganda war with its own people.
    A 180,000 kids have come home wounded or in caskets to their Russian mothers. But I have to admit that number that is an estimate form Norwegian officials and sounds high.
    That's 7 times US casualties and wounded in 20 years of Iraq and Afghanistan
    Many others watched their kids leave the country.
    Last edited by carolina73; 02-01-2023 at 05:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    I think a great deal of that is propaganda. Ukraine has pushed back Russia to a loss of 50% of its initial gains that was created by a surprise surge that most thought was a bluff.

    The question is if Russia wins a war of attrition before Russia loses the propaganda war with its own people.
    A 180,000 kids have come home wounded or in caskets to their Russian mothers. But I have to admit that number that is an estimate form Norwegian officials sounds high.
    That's 7 times US casualties and wounded in 20 years of Iraq and Afghanistan
    Many others watched their kids leave the country.
    Russia has always taken high casualties. Will this time be different?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Russia has always taken high casualties. Will this time be different?
    They pulled out of Afghanistan for far less. They are not being invaded and this is not the early 1900s anymore.
    Let's go Brandon !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    They pulled out of Afghanistan for far less. They are not being invaded and this is not the early 1900s anymore.
    This is a vital national interest for Russia.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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