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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    A ‘natural wormhole’ would also require infinite energy to exist.

    If we have b en visited, it almost certainly be by alien machines and not alien biology.
    Infante? Einstein and Rosen's theory of wormholes didn't require that. Rather what is call an exotic energy. Other have since theorized that black holes are wormholes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Infante? Einstein and Rosen's theory of wormholes didn't require that. Rather what is call an exotic energy. Other have since theorized that black holes are wormholes.
    For example, it has been estimated that to create a wormhole with a diameter one millionth the size of a proton, wormhole engineers would need negative energy equivalent in magnitude to the energy generated by ten billion suns in one year.”

    https://www.chandra.si.edu/resources...%20one%20year.

    Infinite might not have been the correct phrase … let’s try an impossible amount of energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    For example, it has been estimated that to create a wormhole with a diameter one millionth the size of a proton, wormhole engineers would need negative energy equivalent in magnitude to the energy generated by ten billion suns in one year.”

    https://www.chandra.si.edu/resources...s in one year.

    Infinite might not have been the correct phrase … let’s try an impossible amount of energy.
    Yet.

    And there are the theoretical workarounds mentioned above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Yet.

    And there are the theoretical workarounds mentioned above.
    I think you meant hypothetical workarounds.

    That being said:

    - There is no evidence of wormholes actually existing.
    - There is no evidence of negative energy actually existing.
    - As the SOL is approached, time to the observer slows down.
    - At the SOL time would stop, preventing backwards travel through time.
    - Light has no mass and does not experience time because of this.
    - There is no evidence that the past actually still exists.
    - There is no evidence that the future already exists.
    - For the past and future to exist alongside the the present requires an acceptance of the block universe, or 'eternalism,' hypothesis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eterna...sophy_of_time)

    Einstein is oft misunderstood on this.

    His claim was that IF one could attain C, time would cease for the observer.

    If some agent acted to slow the observer back to sub C speed, they would have effectively travelled into the future.

    The bug in that is that the one applying the brakes would have to either also be traveling at C ... which would stop their time and eliminate their ability to interact with the traveller.

    The only other way around the dilemma would be is that the one applying the brakes exists outside of time, space, matter and energy.

    Einstein is also commonly and falsely, believed to have been am atheist.

    The reality is that he did not believe in a "personal" god that granted wished something like Santa Claus.

    To quote Albert the Great:

    "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal god is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."

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    The distance problem is a non-issue if these visitors are from another dimension. Another interesting idea is that they may be time travelers from the far distant future, and those little "grays" with the big eyes and bald heads are what we evolve into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    The distance problem is a non-issue if these visitors are from another dimension. Another interesting idea is that they may be time travelers from the far distant future, and those little "grays" with the big eyes and bald heads are what we evolve into.
    So you believe the past still exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    The distance problem is a non-issue if these visitors are from another dimension. Another interesting idea is that they may be time travelers from the far distant future, and those little "grays" with the big eyes and bald heads are what we evolve into.
    Other dimensions is a third theory on aliens. I think we have covered the big three in this thread now.

    Back to the first theory- aliens. Distance also may not be an issue if any visitors to earth are using either generation ships or drone ships. (Although I do no discount the various types of FTL and wormhole type travel.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Other dimensions is a third theory on aliens. I think we have covered the big three in this thread now.

    Back to the first theory- aliens. Distance also may not be an issue if any visitors to earth are using either generation ships or drone ships. (Although I do no discount the various types of FTL and wormhole type travel.)
    Generational ships would be possible, but drones still seem far more likely.
    I can't imagine any civilization where sending living biological entities would be economically feasible.

    FTL is good scifi, but that's it.

    Anything with mass in a rest state would require infinite energy to reach C.

    Anything without mass can only move at C, as any energy at all would accelerate it to C in near instantaneous, if not instantaneous, time frames.

    Analogies to when man couldn't fly fall apart when one considers that before manned flight, humans knew that biological flight was possible as nature provided many examples to study and learn from.

    Nature has provided an example of things that can travel at C, and the roadblocks preventing us from so doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    Generational ships would be possible, but drones still seem far more likely.
    I can't imagine any civilization where sending living biological entities would be economically feasible.

    FTL is good scifi, but that's it.

    Anything with mass in a rest state would require infinite energy to reach C.

    Anything without mass can only move at C, as any energy at all would accelerate it to C in near instantaneous, if not instantaneous, time frames.

    Analogies to when man couldn't fly fall apart when one considers that before manned flight, humans knew that biological flight was possible as nature provided many examples to study and learn from.

    Nature has provided an example of things that can travel at C, and the roadblocks preventing us from so doing.
    FTL with our current scientific knowledge is out.

    Heart transplants with current scientific/medical knowledge in 1900 were also out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    FTL with our current scientific knowledge is out.

    Heart transplants with current scientific/medical knowledge in 1900 were also out.
    True, but we did have knowledge of human organs and some knowledge of how they worked going back to ancient Egypt and India, so it was more an issue of filling in the knowledge blanks.

    Currently we have zero examples of anything traveling faster than C to study.

    I'm not trying to bust your chops, certainly, but I do enjoy discussions on physics and the sciences.

    Me, I simply cannot fathom how C can be reached ... by things with mass ... no matter the technology achieved ... and so far we have only discussed the tier one obstacles.

    A single 10 milligram grain of sand striking Earth's atmosphere at 99.9% of C would take out a major city. A bowling ball, under the same conditions, would take out Rhode Island. The Great Pyramid would be an extinction level event. A small planetoid would vaporize the planet.

    At C time is no longer experienced, hence the energy of every minute collision in interstellar space would release its energy at once when the brakes were hit.

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