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    Men With Prostate Cancer Can Thrive for Years With Less Aggressive Treatment

    (Wall Street Journal) Men With Prostate Cancer Can Thrive for Years With Less Aggressive Treatment

    Mortality in large study was equivalent whether men underwent surgery, radiation or surveillance

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/prostat...tment-2be2a9e9

    Many prostate-cancer patients could delay or forgo radical treatment without compromising quality of life or longevity, a study showed, adding to a reconsideration of how aggressively to treat some common cancers.

    Men with low-grade and some with moderate-grade localized prostate cancer could safely choose surveillance over surgery or radiation, according to a study published on Saturday in the New England Journal of Medicine. Its authors followed about 1,600 men in the U.K. diagnosed with localized prostate cancer for a median of 15 years. They found that mortality was low whether patients received radiotherapy, a prostatectomy or active monitoring: 3% of patients in the study died from prostate cancer.

    The length and breadth of the study confirms that surveillance is sufficient to manage early-stage prostate cancer for many patients, said Matthew Smith, director of the Genitourinary Malignancies Program at the Massachusetts General Hospital Cancer Center in Boston.
    Yeah, because the "treatment" is the disease...
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    Prostate cancer affects almost as many men as breast cancer does women. Where are the ribbons and rallies and sad tales of woe for prostate victims?
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    Aggressive prostrate cancer kills fast. But from what I understand a significant number of cases are not aggressive and you will die of old age first.

    I also seem to remember reading that biopsies after high PSA tests cause more problems than they are worth.
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    Most prostate cancer doesn't need harsh treatments (except for the unlucky 15%)

    Since some 85% of prostate cancers are deemed low risk, and early treatment appeared to provide little benefit to this group, another question is fairly raised: “Should we be screening for these cancers at all?” When the Prostate Specific Antigen (“PSA”) test was first approved by the FDA in 1994 and feted Desert Storm General, Norman Schwarzkopf Jr., eagerly touted its value, we had a hot new screening tool, one which physicians were encouraged to run once annually on every man over age 50. By the next decade, concerns began to mount that widespread PSA screening had business booming for Urologists, but men were not actually benefitting from the test. Large randomized, controlled trials in the U.S., UK, and Europe showed that PSA testing increased the number of prostate cancer diagnoses, but did not always decrease the number of deaths from prostate cancer, and certainly not overall mortality rates.
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    Got Prostrate cancer, then get a younger doctor. Removal is not the best option anymore. It is just what most older doctors know and feel comfortable with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Aggressive prostrate cancer kills fast. But from what I understand a significant number of cases are not aggressive and you will die of old age first.

    I also seem to remember reading that biopsies after high PSA tests cause more problems than they are worth.
    Prostate cancer is slow growing. It becomes aggressive if it not diagnosed until it’s basically too late.

    I just returned from the urologist. I have an enlarged prostate with a very low PSA level. Not a comfortable visit, but not nearly as bad as I expected.

    In ten days I have to go back for a urolift to treat the enlarged prostate. The Doc gave me two choices. Nitrous oxide in his office for a ten minute procedure or the hospital with anesthesia. I elected having it done in his office. He said the procedure is no more uncomfortable than the exam.
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    Monday morning I get a prostate biopsy. Said something small in there. My PSA jumped from like 5 to 7 so they were alarmed.
    Im really excited about it.............

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    My PSA and pastorate are both in the Green!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephenpe View Post
    Monday morning I get a prostate biopsy. Said something small in there. My PSA jumped from like 5 to 7 so they were alarmed.
    Im really excited about it.............
    That’s not alarming jump and it could be for several reasons. When I had my biopsy my PSA level was up to 14. It was caused by some sort of infection. I was given antibiotics and it went back down to 2 and lower.

    I had a biopsy a few years ago. I don’t want to do it again. I received no pain medication at all prior to the procedure. 12 snips out of the prostate and all 12 were painful.

    I was talking about with the doctor I just saw and he got angry when I told him I received no type of pain meds prior. He said that doctor should be sanctioned as now a prostate biopsy should just be a mild discomfort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephenpe View Post
    Monday morning I get a prostate biopsy. Said something small in there. My PSA jumped from like 5 to 7 so they were alarmed.
    Im really excited about it.............
    Don't you worry. The longer and harder they look, the more they poke, prod, and slice at you, the more likely it becomes they will find "cancer".

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