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    Religious Control

    While I understand the appeal of religion given life and death, a resource that can give comfort and group security, the trouble is it often seeks to control as well as proselytize. A thoughtful person questions religion but many follow like puppets, and when that religion dictates acceptable behaviors and bans others the problems begin. If there were a god or supreme being she'd surely understand we are all different and our lives different too. Do no harm should be commandant number one. Live and let live number two. Number three enjoy this day.... Just sayin...

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    You criticize religion for being controlling then imagine a religion starting with three controlling commands.
    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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    The various types of statist governments replace religion as the tool of control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    While I understand the appeal of religion given life and death, a resource that can give comfort and group security, the trouble is it often seeks to control as well as proselytize. A thoughtful person questions religion but many follow like puppets, and when that religion dictates acceptable behaviors and bans others the problems begin. If there were a god or supreme being she'd surely understand we are all different and our lives different too. Do no harm should be commandant number one. Live and let live number two. Number three enjoy this day.... Just sayin...

    'A Schoolgirl’s First Day in Iran’s Islamic Republic'

    "An Iranian woman recalls the trauma she and other girls experienced in the aftermath of the 1979 revolution"

    https://newlinesmag.com/first-person...amic-republic/

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    Religion--first and foremost--is about control. It seeks to control behavior through belief in divine retribution, dogma, doctrine, and creed, or through influence on laws. That control is solidified through the development of hierarchical structures -- bishops, priests, clergy -- and sadly, that type of authoritative structure opens the door to abuse and violence, such as child molestation. The structure is in place to protect and hide the abusers.

    The desire to control is strong and leads to greater abuses, such as those seen with the Inquisition or the series of papal bulls that created the Doctrine of Discovery.

    And then, of course, there is always the patriarchal aspect of control that keeps women from participating at the same level males participate in the church.

    Still, some churches do good and charitable works and they should be known and respected for those. Do those good works offset the bad aspects?

    Nope. Not even close. Good works never justify or balance bad works.
    ""A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul" ~George Bernard Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The various types of statist governments replace religion as the tool of control.
    And progressive salvation with personal.
    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    Religion--first and foremost--is about control. It seeks to control behavior through belief in divine retribution, dogma, doctrine, and creed, or through influence on laws. That control is solidified through the development of hierarchical structures -- bishops, priests, clergy -- and sadly, that type of authoritative structure opens the door to abuse and violence, such as child molestation. The structure is in place to protect and hide the abusers.

    The desire to control is strong and leads to greater abuses, such as those seen with the Inquisition or the series of papal bulls that created the Doctrine of Discovery.

    And then, of course, there is always the patriarchal aspect of control that keeps women from participating at the same level males participate in the church.

    Still, some churches do good and charitable works and they should be known and respected for those. Do those good works offset the bad aspects?

    Nope. Not even close. Good works never justify or balance bad works.
    The secular institutions you worship at the altar of, are far worse than any organized religion could ever be.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Deneen: “We Are Witnessing the Beginning of the End of the Liberal Order”

    He is interviewed by Rémi Carlu.

    L’incorrect. “There is no liberal politics sui generis, there is only a liberal critique of politics,” said Carl Schmitt. On the contrary, you say that liberalism is an ideology, and even the ultimate ideology. How would you define it? How did the liberal conception of freedom reverse the classical conception of freedom?

    The classical definition of freedom (in the Latin, libertas) was the condition of self-rule, achieved through the cultivation of classical and (later) Christian virtues and discipline. It was not “doing as one wished,” but rather required the cultivation of the kind of character by which both individuals and citizens more broadly do what is right and good. This required a political, social, economic and religious order that assisted humans in the self-discipline necessary to achieve this hard-won condition of self-rule, including the taming of our instincts, desires, and passions.

    Thus, in the classical and Christian tradition, the inability or unwillingness to discipline these lower elements of our nature resulted in a condition of slavery. So, both Plato and St. Paul could talk about the person who submitted to vice or sin as one who is “enslaved,” while those who master those base features of our nature as achieving a genuine kind of freedom.

    Of course, the modern definition of “liberty,” arising from liberal theory and, later, liberal practice, reverses these definitions. Freedom is defined both by Hobbes and by Locke (in their “state of nature” scenario) as the condition of being to do as one wishes, to “dispose of one’s property and one’s self” as one likes. Liberty comes to be defined as the absence of external and internal constraint. Because this form of liberty is destructive, it must be restrained at some level by law; but because this form of liberty is according to our nature, it must be enjoyed and expanded to the greatest extent possible. Liberal polities come into existence explicitly to expand the empire of this modern liberty....
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    The secular institutions you worship at the altar of, are far worse than any organized religion could ever be.
    Indeed, secular freedom leads directly to personal autonomy, "my body my choice" feminism.
    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Indeed, secular freedom leads directly to personal autonomy, "my body my choice" feminism.
    Yep, and in fact, her depiction of organized religion, is nothing more than a lame attempt to project her own ideology onto someone else. As if the baby killing death cult isn't the most abusive, and utterly evil institution on the planet.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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