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    The age of american naval dominance is over

    What's at stake? Freedom of the seas.

    THE AGE OF AMERICAN NAVAL DOMINANCE IS OVER

    Very few americans—or, for that matter, very few people on the planet—can remember a time when freedom of the seas was in question. But for most of human history, there was no such guarantee. Pirates, predatory states, and the fleets of great powers did as they pleased. The current reality, which dates only to the end of World War II, makes possible the commercial shipping that handles more than 80 percent of all global trade by volume—oil and natural gas, grain and raw ores, manufactured goods of every kind. Because freedom of the seas, in our lifetime, has seemed like a default condition, it is easy to think of it—if we think of it at all—as akin to Earth’s rotation or the force of gravity: as just the way things are, rather than as a man-made construct that needs to be maintained and enforced.

    But what if the safe transit of ships could no longer be assumed? What if the oceans were no longer free?

    Every now and again, Americans are suddenly reminded of how much they depend on the uninterrupted movement of ships around the world for their lifestyle, their livelihood, even their life. In 2021, the grounding of the container ship Ever Given blocked the Suez Canal, forcing vessels shuttling between Asia and Europe to divert around Africa, delaying their passage and driving up costs. A few months later, largely because of disruptions caused by the coronavirus pandemic, more than 100 container ships were stacked up outside the California Ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles, snarling supply chains throughout the country.


    These events were temporary, if expensive. Imagine, though, a more permanent breakdown. A humiliated Russia could declare a large portion of the Arctic Ocean to be its own territorial waters, twisting the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea to support its claim. Russia would then allow its allies access to this route while denying it to those who dared to oppose its wishes. Neither the U.S. Navy, which has not built an Arctic-rated surface warship since the 1950s, nor any other NATO nation is currently equipped to resist such a gambit.


    Or maybe the first to move would be Xi Jinping, shoring up his domestic standing by attempting to seize Taiwan and using China’s anti-ship ballistic missiles and other weapons to keep Western navies at bay. An emboldened China might then seek to cement its claim over large portions of the East China Sea and the entirety of the South China Sea as territorial waters. It could impose large tariffs and transfer fees on the bulk carriers that transit the region. Local officials might demand bribes to speed their passage.



    Once one nation decided to act in this manner, others would follow, claiming enlarged territorial waters of their own, and extracting what they could from the commerce that flows through them. The edges and interstices of this patchwork of competing claims would provide openings for piracy and lawlessness.

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    It is time for the United States to think and act, once again, like a seapower state. As the naval historian Andrew Lambert has explained, a seapower state understands that its wealth and its might principally derive from seaborne trade, and it uses instruments of sea power to promote and protect its interests. To the degree possible, a seapower state seeks to avoid direct participation in land wars, large or small. There have been only a few true seapower nations in history—notably Great Britain, the Dutch Republic, Venice, and Carthage.

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    The united states is no longer investing in the instruments of sea power as it once did. America’s commercial shipbuilding industry began losing its share of the global market in the 1960s to countries with lower labor costs, and to those that had rebuilt their industrial capacity after the war. The drop in American shipbuilding accelerated after President Ronald Reagan took office, in 1981. The administration, in a nod to free-market principles, began to shrink government subsidies that had supported the industry. That was a choice; it might have gone the other way. Aircraft manufacturers in the United States, citing national-security concerns, successfully lobbied for continued, and even increased, subsidies for their industry in the decades that followed—and got them.

    The U.S. Navy, too, has been shrinking. After the Second World War, the Navy scrapped many of its ships and sent many more into a ready-reserve “mothball” fleet. For the next two decades, the active naval fleet hovered at about 1,000 ships. But beginning in 1969, the total began to fall. By 1971, the fleet had been reduced to 750 ships. Ten years later, it was down to 521. Reagan, who had campaigned in 1980 on a promise to rebuild the Navy to 600 ships, nearly did so under the able leadership of his secretary of the Navy, John Lehman. During Reagan’s eight years in office, the size of the Navy’s fleet climbed to just over 590 ships.
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    We certainly need a Reagan Again we need that modernization again. And with another Cold War coming, no time like the present. But China can't go unchecked any longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    We certainly need a Reagan Again we need that modernization again. And with another Cold War coming, no time like the present. But China can't go unchecked any longer.
    Cold war?

    We are in the opening phase of a major, possibly world war.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    We should not forget how critical our Naval Forces were in WWII in both the Pacific and across the Atlantic. And that was after the Pearl Harbor disaster and I might add a brilliant strategic strike by Japanese Naval forces.

    What they underestimated was our ability to recover and hit back!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Cold war?
    We are in the opening phase of a major, possibly world war.
    Well we certainly will be if Appeasement is the order of the day. But if we stand our ground and stop the expansion now, we likely can have a few more years.

    But if we have to do it, no time like the present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    Well we certainly will be if Appeasement is the order of the day. But if we stand our ground and stop the expansion now, we likely can have a few more years.

    But if we have to do it, no time like the present.
    You are confused. Appeasement is not in play in Ukraine. We have no vital national interest there.

    Yours is a failed strategy, fighting where we have no reason to fight while ignoring those places where we ought to be ready to fight. We squander time, resources, and attention in Ukraine while marking time in the Pacific until the day of our defeat because we failed to prepare.
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    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    I sit here and scratch my head. How can our politicians let it get to this point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    You are confused. Appeasement is not in play in Ukraine. We have no vital national interest there.
    Yours is a failed strategy, fighting where we have no reason to fight while ignoring those places where we ought to be ready to fight. We squander, time, resources and attention in Ukraine while marking time in the Pacific until the day of our defeat because we failed to prepare.
    Posted our interests you have yet to link to anything that would dispute that, so you lose that one.

    And we should be working on a Navel update that is not happening now China owns Biden. but causing Russia to spend money and keeping access open to those natural resources is much better than giving a better deal to China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I sit here and scratch my head. How can our politicians let it get to this point?
    We have forgotten History!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    Posted our interests you have yet to link to anything that would dispute that, so you lose that one.

    And we should be working on a Navel update that is not happening now China owns Biden. but causing Russia to spend money and keeping access open to those natural resources is much better than giving a better deal to China.
    Nothing you mentioned is a vital national interest.

    If you, Biden, Hillary, Schumer, and Milley, had a case to make, by now you would have made it before Congress and the people.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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