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    Question A World Without Men The women of South Korea’s 4B mvmnt are leaving men behind.

    A World Without Men - The women of South Korea’s 4B movement aren’t fighting the patriarchy — they’re leaving it behind entirely.



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    While scrolling through Twitter in 2018, Youngmi came across footage of protests taking place in the streets of Seoul. In South Korea, where cases of femicide, revenge porn, and dating violence are widespread, a surge in spy-cam sex crimes, overwhelmingly committed by men, had mostly resulted in fines and suspended jail sentences, if they were prosecuted at all. That was not the case, however, for one 25-year-old woman who had taken a nonconsensual photo of a nude male model at art school and posted it online; she was sentenced to ten months in prison and court-ordered sexual-violence counseling. The demonstrations were a reaction to the blatant hypocrisy.

    Youngmi was moved by the solidarity she saw, but there was one thing she found perplexing: Many of the women at the protests shaved their heads on-camera. As she began to follow more feminist Twitter accounts, Youngmi understood this was a public act of rejection of those same aesthetic expectations imposed on Korean women that have made the country a leader in grooming products and plastic surgery. She began to realize that “you know, men do not do that — men do not feel the pressure to buy clothes every season or wear makeup.”


    This eventually led Youngmi to “4B,” a smaller but growing movement among Korean women. 4B is shorthand for four Korean words that all start with bi-, or “no”: The first no, bihon, is the refusal of heterosexual marriage. Bichulsan is the refusal of childbirth, biyeonae is saying no to dating, and bisekseu is the rejection of heterosexual sexual relationships. It is both an ideological stance and a lifestyle, and many women I spoke to extend their boycott to nearly all the men in their lives, including distancing themselves from male friends.


    For Youngmi and many others who subscribe to its basic premises, 4B, or “practicing bihon,” is the only path by which a Korean woman today can live autonomously. In their view, Korean men are essentially beyond redemption, and Korean culture, on the whole, is hopelessly patriarchal — often downright misogynistic. A 2016 survey by the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family found the incidence of intimate-partner violence at 41.5 percent, significantly higher than the global average of 30 percent. While 4B’s adherents may hope to change society — through demonstrations and online activism, and by modeling an alternative lifestyle to other women — they are not trying to change the men whom they view as their oppressors. It is too soon to tell whether this movement can survive and thrive over the long haul. But its ideas and actions have already affected the country’s online discourse, its politics, and most of all, individual women’s lives.


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    All of these failed men have one thing in common. They are really butt fornicating ugly or their package is in micro condition. Got to really be a bummer with those afflictions. Most marry their dominant hand and are happily married after. Some though are like that psycho who sliced up 4 kids in Corn Field USA. Now what woman on 2 legs would ever doink him. Even his hand rejected his proposals. See the issue?

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    Thanks for posting, DG! That was the best, most comprehensive article on the 4B movement that I've read to date. Nice find! I consider myself a particular kind of 4B practitioner myself. It is, in my view, is the best women's movement on Earth today.

    Anyway, the Cut's article was also more up-to-date than my previous go-to article of recommendation on the subject, which was this one that was shared on Feminist Current back in 2020, although that one is also recommended reading for its greater expansion on the topic of South Korea's troll feminist scene. I really liked that this article didn't try to portray the feminist movement in Korea as if it were like ours here. Many articles in the American press disingenuously do that -- portray it as a liberal movement that just has a few Korea-specific quirks -- and its insulting both to the intelligence and to the meaning and power of female separatist politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrogant $#@! View Post
    All of these failed men have one thing in common. They are really butt fornicating ugly. Now what woman on 2 legs would ever doink him
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Thanks for posting, DG! That was the best, most comprehensive article on the 4B movement that I've read to date. Nice find! I consider myself a particular kind of 4B practitioner myself. It is, in my view, is the best women's movement on Earth today.

    Anyway, the Cut's article was also more up-to-date than my previous go-to article of recommendation on the subject, which was this one that was shared on Feminist Current back in 2020, although that one is also recommended reading for its greater expansion on the topic of South Korea's troll feminist scene. I really liked that this article didn't try to portray the feminist movement in Korea as if it were like ours here. Many articles in the American press disingenuously do that -- portray it as a liberal movement that just has a few Korea-specific quirks -- and its insulting both to the intelligence and to the meaning and power of female separatist politics.
    I know about two dozen men in kind of the same situation. Older men, mostly widowers. They want nothing to do with women. They aren't hostile to them, they just are comfortable living alone, and have no interest in being in relationships with anyone - let alone women. Some say that they 'could never replace' so and so but others say that they are happy being alone at this stage in their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Thanks for posting, DG! That was the best, most comprehensive article on the 4B movement that I've read to date. Nice find! I consider myself a particular kind of 4B practitioner myself. It is, in my view, is the best women's movement on Earth today.

    Anyway, the Cut's article was also more up-to-date than my previous go-to article of recommendation on the subject, which was this one that was shared on Feminist Current back in 2020, although that one is also recommended reading for its greater expansion on the topic of South Korea's troll feminist scene. I really liked that this article didn't try to portray the feminist movement in Korea as if it were like ours here. Many articles in the American press disingenuously do that -- portray it as a liberal movement that just has a few Korea-specific quirks -- and its insulting both to the intelligence and to the meaning and power of female separatist politics.
    I can see that point of view. The movement isn't out to get males. It's not a revenge movement. It's simply seeking to alleviate male domination in women's lives. I think most people can get on board with that.
    • No more sexual violence against women
    • No more discrimination against women in the workplace
    • No more objectification of women in the media
    • No more interference by the government in women's reproductive rights
    The movement isn't about emasculating males. But I see why some of those SK women feel the best way to achieve their goals is to simply live without men. It's interesting that even back in 2016, half of the SK female population no longer saw a need to marry.

    Western men (just my experience) are typically more open than SK men to acknowledge women's equality. But, there are holdouts, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I know about two dozen men in kind of the same situation. Older men, mostly widowers. They want nothing to do with women. They aren't hostile to them, they just are comfortable living alone, and have no interest in being in relationships with anyone - let alone women. Some say that they 'could never replace' so and so but others say that they are happy being alone at this stage in their lives.
    I think as people (men and women) get older they become more confident in being alone. Decades ago, I think there was more of a stigma about living alone, but it seems to be pretty much gone today.

    When I volunteered delivering Meals on Wheels, I saw many single older folks that seemed quite happy. Most just wanted someone to cook for them a couple times a week.

    I don't think it has anything to do with men or women not liking the other sex, I think it's just about not needing someone else. In times past, women depended on men to make money and men depended on women to cook, clean, etc. Today, just order out for food--or buy food you can pop in the microwave. And, women make just as much money as men, so the dependence factor is gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    I think as people (men and women) get older they become more confident in being alone. Decades ago, I think there was more of a stigma about living alone, but it seems to be pretty much gone today.

    When I volunteered delivering Meals on Wheels, I saw many single older folks that seemed quite happy. Most just wanted someone to cook for them a couple times a week.

    I don't think it has anything to do with men or women not liking the other sex, I think it's just about not needing someone else. In times past, women depended on men to make money and men depended on women to cook, clean, etc. Today, just order out for food--or buy food you can pop in the microwave. And, women make just as much money as men, so the dependence factor is gone.
    I live alone.

    My wife and I divorced after 40 years together. I love the solitude and quiet.

    I shop for her twice a week and sleep over at her house. We eat dinner together, watch old TV shows and drink wine. And in the morning I return home. She goes out with her friends. Perfect.
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