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    Yeah, those are all things that I agree are not fully factual. As for my reference to blaming “progressives”, I pretty sure that statement was made above. I’m glad to see that it wasn’t you, anyway.
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    I remember reading the fall of the Byzantine empire actually shaped the Columbus voyage. Firstly, the decision to go west across the Atlantic was made for them, Columbus had no choice. He could not sail east after the Byzantines were overrun.

    Secondly, geography, technologies, and maps. Columbus really had no idea what he would find, his search for a new world was mostly blind....he was looking for the Far East. Had Byzantium endured, Columbus might have been known for his Pacific voyage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    I remember reading the fall of the Byzantine empire actually shaped the Columbus voyage. Firstly, the decision to go west across the Atlantic was made for them, Columbus had no choice. He could not sail east after the Byzantines were overrun.

    Secondly, geography, technologies, and maps. Columbus really had no idea what he would find, his search for a new world was mostly blind....he was looking for the Far East. Had Byzantium endured, Columbus might have been known for his Pacific voyage.
    First paragraph great.

    Second, what does Constantinople and its position on the Bosporus Strait have to do with the Pacific Ocean? It leads into the Black Sea.

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    UNITED we stand DIVIDED we fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephenpe View Post
    UNITED we stand DIVIDED we fall.
    The Byzantines found that out the Turkish way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    First paragraph great.

    Second, what does Constantinople and its position on the Bosporus Strait have to do with the Pacific Ocean? It leads into the Black Sea.
    It wasn't just Constantinople's position on the Bosporus, Peter. Perhaps this will help. It's just the first quick link I could find, there is much written on the why Columbus was incentivized to go west, the fall of the Byzantine Empire a big reason, Constantinople finalizing that fall.

    https://adholepa.medium.com/the-fall...s-a0efeb287d14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    It wasn't just Constantinople's position on the Bosporus, Peter. Perhaps this will help. It's just the first quick link I could find, there is much written on the why Columbus was incentivized to go west, the fall of the Byzantine Empire a big reason, Constantinople finalizing that fall.

    https://adholepa.medium.com/the-fall...s-a0efeb287d14
    Thanks for the article.

    The fall of Constantinople certainly called into question the over-land trade routes to the East.
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