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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    Well we could try appeasement that has never worked but maybe this time.
    You were correct. The Russia, China and Iran alliance was forming long before Ukraine was attacked.

    But let's say we are Saudi Arabia and we see a senile old idiot in the USA trying to ban Fossil Fuels which leaves them nothing but sales jobs at used camel lots.

    Who are we going to side with? This is what happens when you let Bernie Sanders and AOC try to run a country.
    Let's go Brandon !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    You were correct. The Russia, China and Iran alliance was forming long before Ukraine was attacked.

    But let's say we are Saudi Arabia and we see a senile old idiot in the USA trying to ban Fossil Fuels which leaves them nothing but sales jobs at used camel lots.

    Who are we going to side with? This is what happens when you let Bernie Sanders and AOC try to run a country.
    America's politicians should side with American citizens.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


    I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.

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    So we are seeing three blocks emerging.

    1. The West: ends global free trade by declaring piranha states are no longer welcome to participate. Focused on its war on fossil fuels, which is essentially deindustrializing because Green energy can't keep up (yet). Also hyper focused on Woke issues like ESG and DEI. Because of these issues and a too low baby-making situation, the future of their economies is bleak. Add in their over-reliance on debt and the rising interest rates and ask how are they going to pay interest on that debt + make social welfare hammock payments?

    2. The BRICS, a.k.a. Team Piranha States (R and C with their fan-boys)- they are more into authoritarianism and state capitalism. At least China (the clear leader of this block) has shown stellar economic growth with its model. It is not deindustrializing and is getting coal-fired plants online at a rate of 1 per day. It is investing in Green energy as a side hustle.

    3. The Strategically Non-Aligned Powers: India and Saudi Arabia being to good examples. They plan to play let's make a deal with both sides issue by issue without aligning with anyone.

    And the developing world is looking at them for the path forward. They don't have the power to play the number 3 game. Number one looks like they joined Team Lose- they are in decline. Will they pick number 2 to follow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    After the West labeled these nations piranha nations, can the West legitimately act surprised? And at least for the Chinese, they have a compelling story to sell to the third world- look at decades of 10%+ GDP growth- we did that. Look at our Belt and Road system that will provide alternative economic links globally- we are doing that.

    The West is decarbonizing and concerned over moral issues. That does zero for the economies of the third world.

    As Xi visits Russia, Putin sees his anti-U.S. world order taking shape

    For Vladimir Putin, the state visit to Russia by Chinese President Xi Jinping, which begins on Monday, provides a giant morale boost and a chance to showcase the much-vaunted new world order that the Russian leader believes he is forging through his war on Ukraine — in which the United States and NATO can no longer dictate anything to anyone.


    Xi’s visit to Russia, just after cementing his precedent-breaking third term in power, brings together two men who have positioned themselves as leaders for life — and it sets the scene for global confrontation, with Beijing willing to use its partnership with Moscow to counter Washington, even if that means granting tacit approval to Putin’s brutal, destabilizing war.


    “The grim outlook in China is that we are entering this era of confrontation with the U.S., the gloves are off, and Russia is an asset and a partner in this struggle,” said Alexander Gabuev, an analyst with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.


    It remains to be seen whether this confrontation will heat up, pushing three nuclear powers to the brink of World War III, or merely marks the opening chords of Cold War 2.0. But Xi’s visit shows sides being taken, with China, Russia and Iran lining up against the United States, Britain and other NATO allies — in a competition for global influence and for alliances with nations such as South Africa and Saudi Arabia, which seem ambivalent but up for grabs.


    In an article published Sunday evening in China’s People’s Daily, Putin gushed about the brotherly friendship between Russia and China, which he said were standing “shoulder to shoulder,” including against Western hegemony.


    “Sticking more stubbornly than ever to its obsolete dogmata and vanishing dominance, the ‘Collective West’ is gambling on the fates of entire states and peoples,” Putin wrote. “The U.S.’s policy of simultaneously deterring Russia and China, as well as all those who do not bend to the American dictation, is getting ever more fierce and aggressive.” He also warned that NATO is “seeking to penetrate the Asia-Pacific.”


    Xi’s trip, billed in Russia as the signature diplomatic event of 2023, could hardly come at a more useful moment for Putin. With his invasion largely stalled, military casualties mounting, and his personal reputation newly stained by an arrest warrant for war crimes issued by the International Criminal Court, Putin is in desperate need of a distraction that props him up.


    For the Russian domestic audience, the ceremonial pomp of hosting the Chinese leader will reinforce Putin’s image as a modern-day czar. Crowning the visit, a state dinner will be held in the spectacular 15th-century stone Faceted Chamber in the Kremlin, Moscow’s oldest building, constructed by Ivan III, the grand prince of Moscow, whose reputation as a “gatherer of lands” for annexing neighboring territories inspires Putin.
    Things like this makes Putin XI's $#@!.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/12/23...a-competition/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Things like this makes Putin XI's $#@!.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/12/23...a-competition/
    Do you understand the significance of the China-Russia agreements?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Do you understand the significance if the China-Russia agreements?

    Sure I do. My question is what does Russia have that China wants?

    China is going to do what it pleases regardless of Russia.

    China is gaining influence in the "stans" that were Russian.

    China will toss Russia to the dogs when they gain the influence they seek elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Sure I do. My question is what does Russia have that China wants?
    China is going to do what it pleases regardless of Russia.
    China is gaining influence in the "stans" that were Russian.
    China will toss Russia to the dogs when they gain the influence they seek elsewhere.
    Do you? American foreign policy, up until the Biden regime was to keep Russia and China at odds with one another. It is a long standing belief that he who controls the Eurasian land mass controls the world.

    Biden's policies pushed them together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Sure I do. My question is what does Russia have that China wants?
    China is going to do what it pleases regardless of Russia.
    China is gaining influence in the "stans" that were Russian.
    China will toss Russia to the dogs when they gain the influence they seek elsewhere.
    That is simple a market for cheep good! With the western markets moving manufacturing back in country ,China needs to replace that business. They can also share technologies as it will be harder to adopt that of the west if they are not building everything for us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Things like this makes Putin XI's $#@!.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/12/23...a-competition/
    I do think China is the much stronger party in this agreement.

    In unrelated topics, I wrote here years ago that long term, maybe 50 or more years out I could see Russia and China merging into a Sino-Rus nation, where China would definitely be top dog. Because Russia is in a demographic death spiral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Do you? American foreign policy, up until the Biden regime was to keep Russia and China at odds with one another. It is a long standing belief that he who controls the Eurasian land mass controls the world.

    Biden's policies pushed them together.
    Very true.
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