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    Yet, the same people who complain about the erosion of family values, have no problem electing a guy who cheated on his wives, scammed his workers and doesn’t seem to practice any of the values they hold dear. Or at least claim to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    Yet, the same people who complain about the erosion of family values, have no problem electing a guy who cheated on his wives, scammed his workers and doesn’t seem to practice any of the values they hold dear. Or at least claim to.
    The man clearly didn't hear enough prayers when he was in school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    Yet, the same people who complain about the erosion of family values, have no problem electing a guy who cheated on his wives, scammed his workers and doesn’t seem to practice any of the values they hold dear. Or at least claim to.
    If we booted every politician who cheated on their wife we could clear much of the House and Senate. So your point would be?





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    Quote Originally Posted by RMNIXON View Post
    If we booted every politician who cheated on their wife we could clear much of the House and Senate. So your point would be?





    A photo of two Presidents who ran on upholding Family and Religious Values.
    Fair enough. But I never claimed that anyone should be booted because of personal issues like infidelity.

    What I’m pointing out is hypocrisy. Clinton is a great example. Republicans were outraged by Clinton’s indiscretions and condemned him for them. Yet they turned around and elected a man that had cheated on his wives, and who was twice divorced. So those family values and outrage only seem to matter when they’re talking about a Democrat. So again, the point is hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    That is business, I would put every other builder in W MI out of business if I could, but I can't, so I keep trying to get better,

    I love it when Wal Mart move into a town and the local Grocery Store goes out of business. They talk about the loss of jobs, the local Grocery Store maybe 50 if they were big, Wal Mart 200
    I don't. The 50 people at the grocery store were probably making a decent wage, whereas WM relies on welfare to supplement their worker's wages. WM doesn't just kill the grocery store, they also kill off several other sundry retail establishments and they do so by temporarily lowering all their prices - just until all the competition dies, then they jack up their prices. In smaller towns, those workers end up with little choice but to work at WM for lower wages - that or move, which they can't always afford to do because it can take a while to sell your house in a small town. Now that local grocer and sundry businesses were probably also supporting local suppliers who are also SOL, because WM doesn't buy local, they buy from big commercial suppliers. So that new WM has also hurt a bunch of farms and little cottage industries. Another trick WM has is to locate itself outside of any town, so they don't have to pay town taxes, which tend to be higher than regional taxes. As a result, they have now deprived one or more towns of tax revenue, by killing the in-town businesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I don't. The 50 people at the grocery store were probably making a decent wage, whereas WM relies on welfare to supplement their worker's wages. WM doesn't just kill the grocery store, they also kill off several other sundry retail establishments and they do so by temporarily lowering all their prices - just until all the competition dies, then they jack up their prices. In smaller towns, those workers end up with little choice but to work at WM for lower wages - that or move, which they can't always afford to do because it can take a while to sell your house in a small town. Now that local grocer and sundry businesses were probably also supporting local suppliers who are also SOL, because WM doesn't buy local, they buy from big commercial suppliers. So that new WM has also hurt a bunch of farms and little cottage industries. Another trick WM has is to locate itself outside of any town, so they don't have to pay town taxes, which tend to be higher than regional taxes. As a result, they have now deprived one or more towns of tax revenue, by killing the in-town businesses.
    Walmart has destroyed small towns across the US, and here in Canada. And the same people who complain about China, are the ones buying cheap Chinese products at Walmart and other big box stores.

    Not only does Walmart pay virtually nothing in local taxes, they actually get huge tax breaks and incentives. They also mainly employ part time workers that they don’t have to provide health insurance for. Further shifting the tax burden to the municipal and state level. Walmart is a parasite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slideman View Post
    You do not view gender fluidity as an individual expression of individual freedom. But that's what it is. You are antifreedom.
    You support unbridled deregulation of large corporations causing them to become monopolies. Yet you claim to support free enterprise. Many of you profess to be Christian but you deplore a safety net that saves the least of us from homelessness and starvation.
    You are some un-Americans
    1. The problem with Liberals is that they want responsibilty for nothing and expect to receive things in return. But here’s a question? Where are all these things you want going to come from? What do most people do in their free time? It’s not work. So who’s going to produce things? Who’s going to make the iphone and upkeep the internet and create power and work the grids, etc, etc? The government? The government hires people to do the work. And often, very poorly because very little accountability is needed when you work for the government. And in order for the government to hire people, it needs money. And money is entirely based on the cumulative value of products that the businesses provide. And what incentive is there for the company if it makes no profit? Would you make t-shirts for the entire city for free? Neither would Gap, or Versace or whoever. So what happens? Production stops. Which means each and everyone of you will have to make your own clothes, hunt or/and raise your own food, walk miles looking for fresh water each day and take back as much as you could carry each day. You won’t have contact with no one because there is no internet, no phone, no mailmen. There will be no TV, no cars and no airplanes. You’d have to grow your own weed and milk your own cows. If you get a broken bone, you’d have to fix it yourself. Etc… etc…




    This is where you logic takes humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invictus View Post
    1. The problem with Liberals is that they want responsibilty for nothing and expect to receive things in return. But here’s a question? Where are all these things you want going to come from? What do most people do in their free time? It’s not work. So who’s going to produce things? Who’s going to make the iphone and upkeep the internet and create power and work the grids, etc, etc? The government? The government hires people to do the work. And often, very poorly because very little accountability is needed when you work for the government. And in order for the government to hire people, it needs money. And money is entirely based on the cumulative value of products that the businesses provide. And what incentive is there for the company if it makes no profit? Would you make t-shirts for the entire city for free? Neither would Gap, or Versace or whoever. So what happens? Production stops. Which means each and everyone of you will have to make your own clothes, hunt or/and raise your own food, walk miles looking for fresh water each day and take back as much as you could carry each day. You won’t have contact with no one because there is no internet, no phone, no mailmen. There will be no TV, no cars and no airplanes. You’d have to grow your own weed and milk your own cows. If you get a broken bone, you’d have to fix it yourself. Etc… etc…


    This is where you logic takes humanity.
    I question whether the notion of off-shoring industry to the third world was the product of liberalism. Industry was off-shored to lower the cost of labor so that manufacturing could sell inferior quality goods that would have to be replaced more often. Manufacturing embraced obsolescence as a means to increase profits. Along with the off-shoring went millions of decent jobs and thus began the erosion of the middle class. The glut of better skilled displaced workers took the jobs of the less skilled workers and created an underclass of workers who became far less employable. With the glut of potential employees, many businesses eliminated full-time jobs in favor of part-time jobs where they could avoid paying any overtime or benefits. Employment stats fail to qualify employment, so on paper the unemployment stats wobbled but didn't spike, however those numbers don't account for underemployment and the number of people who have to cobble together a number of part-time and highly insecure jobs in order to survive. Employers like WM take advantage of welfare supplements to keep their wages subpar.

    In response, many more kids were pushed to obtain post-secondary education as a means to guarantee employment. However that only resulted in an eventual glut of better educated unemployed citizens as business became far more choosy about the nature of the education obtained. So students were then advised to become educated in whatever skill set seemed to be in demand, only to find their skill-set already obsolete by the time they graduated and in competition with millions of others with the same educational background. Throughout all of this you also have jobs being replaced with automation or software . Even help-desk jobs are being semi-replaced with software or outsourced to other countries and programming jobs are increasingly being outsourced to India.

    With the rise of internet on-line shopping, bricks and mortar stores are failing and with them go more jobs. Many who have any resources at all have become internet vendors (see Etsy and Ebay) and others have found other internet based means of generating income, often from ad revenue generated from hits on videos or the dreaded "influencers" web sites. Those without such resources are simply unemployed or intermittently employed as they cannot get steady work.

    In the final analysis, there are more people than there are jobs that will actually support someone and the problem is only going to escalate because businesses are so focused on expansion and paying dividends to their ever increasing stable of shareholders that they are forgetting that someone still has to be able to afford to buy what they're selling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I question whether the notion of off-shoring industry to the third world was the product of liberalism. Industry was off-shored to lower the cost of labor so that manufacturing could sell inferior quality goods that would have to be replaced more often. Manufacturing embraced obsolescence as a means to increase profits. Along with the off-shoring went millions of decent jobs and thus began the erosion of the middle class. The glut of better skilled displaced workers took the jobs of the less skilled workers and created an underclass of workers who became far less employable. With the glut of potential employees, many businesses eliminated full-time jobs in favor of part-time jobs where they could avoid paying any overtime or benefits. Employment stats fail to qualify employment, so on paper the unemployment stats wobbled but didn't spike, however those numbers don't account for underemployment and the number of people who have to cobble together a number of part-time and highly insecure jobs in order to survive. Employers like WM take advantage of welfare supplements to keep their wages subpar.

    In response, many more kids were pushed to obtain post-secondary education as a means to guarantee employment. However that only resulted in an eventual glut of better educated unemployed citizens as business became far more choosy about the nature of the education obtained. So students were then advised to become educated in whatever skill set seemed to be in demand, only to find their skill-set already obsolete by the time they graduated and in competition with millions of others with the same educational background. Throughout all of this you also have jobs being replaced with automation or software . Even help-desk jobs are being semi-replaced with software or outsourced to other countries and programming jobs are increasingly being outsourced to India.

    With the rise of internet on-line shopping, bricks and mortar stores are failing and with them go more jobs. Many who have any resources at all have become internet vendors (see Etsy and Ebay) and others have found other internet based means of generating income, often from ad revenue generated from hits on videos or the dreaded "influencers" web sites. Those without such resources are simply unemployed or intermittently employed as they cannot get steady work.

    In the final analysis, there are more people than there are jobs that will actually support someone and the problem is only going to escalate because businesses are so focused on expansion and paying dividends to their ever increasing stable of shareholders that they are forgetting that someone still has to be able to afford to buy what they're selling.
    So any real progress and achievement is really making more victims instead of better lives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by invictus View Post
    1. The problem with Liberals is that they want responsibilty for nothing and expect to receive things in return. But here’s a question? Where are all these things you want going to come from? What do most people do in their free time? It’s not work. So who’s going to produce things? Who’s going to make the iphone and upkeep the internet and create power and work the grids, etc, etc? The government? The government hires people to do the work. And often, very poorly because very little accountability is needed when you work for the government. And in order for the government to hire people, it needs money. And money is entirely based on the cumulative value of products that the businesses provide. And what incentive is there for the company if it makes no profit? Would you make t-shirts for the entire city for free? Neither would Gap, or Versace or whoever. So what happens? Production stops. Which means each and everyone of you will have to make your own clothes, hunt or/and raise your own food, walk miles looking for fresh water each day and take back as much as you could carry each day. You won’t have contact with no one because there is no internet, no phone, no mailmen. There will be no TV, no cars and no airplanes. You’d have to grow your own weed and milk your own cows. If you get a broken bone, you’d have to fix it yourself. Etc… etc… This is where you logic takes humanity.
    The problem with conservatives is they make crap up wholly out of their imaginations, like the post above, then try to insist it is reality. The scenario you describe, my friend, is a complete fiction of your own creation. It is a straw man illusion tailor made to hate.

    Why do you do it?

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