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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I am not in favor of it being done on minors even with the parents involved. The vast majority of these cases are just a passing phase.

    It would be nice if the minor was convinced to wait until he/she was a legal adult. At least for the surgery part, which is difficult if not impossible to reverse.

    I've tried to do more research but some of the science is so new that there are few peer-reviewed studies out there.

    We do hear a lot about the cases that "de-transition," but I from what I've read, they're actually few--percentage wise.

    Eight children, or 2.5 percent, had switched back to the gender they were assigned at birth. Seven of them had socially transitioned before the age of 6 and transitioned back before the age of 9. The eighth child, at 11 years old, reverted after starting on puberty-blocking drugs.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/h...-identity.html

    That's not as many as I'd previously thought.

    I have to wonder if there isn't something in the environment causing this. We know soy can be detrimental and for a couple of decades, it was used as an infant's only source of food, in the form of soy formula. Soy-lac. That had to have done something. And, it's still consumed by many as a food source.

    Still, I have to be true to my belief that parents, even if some are dead wrong, should be allowed to raise their children as they see fit. The caveat, of course, is "...if they don't hurt them..."

    I don't like allowing the government to intercede in families--in only further destroys the family unit. If Americans--as a majority--are really convinced physical transitioning may be abusive, then I think they can try to require additional professional assessment. But, if they have say, three medical professionals sign off on allowing the child to transition and the child wants to and the parents acquiesce, I think we have to respect that decision. Even if we personally would oppose it for our own children, I think we have to operate on the basis that parents should have priority.

    Just my thoughts.
    ""A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul" ~George Bernard Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Confusing innocent children is child abuse. But I'm not surprised you don't think it's a big deal.
    What is the matter with you?

    Do you really want to give the government that much control?

    Seriously, think about what you're advocating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jes'fuchinwitcha View Post
    How many people are doing this?

    A few in Australia, but it's not about transitioning children. It's just about allowing them to decide what they personally prefer or dislike in their lives.

    I think it will be interesting to see how these kids turn out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post

    .... Seriously, think about what you're advocating....
    You first.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    You first.

    I don't even think you know what the OP is about. You just like the idea of the government deciding how children should be raised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    I don't even think you know what the OP is about. You just like the idea of the government deciding how children should be raised.
    No, I dislike you and your ilk abusing innocent children.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    No, I dislike you and your ilk abusing innocent children.
    So, you advocate breaking up the family unit and allowing the government to take away a parent's right to make decisions about their own children?

    I don't want to hear you complaining when the state decides teaching the Christian religion in a home is abusive.

    Because, you brought it.
    You bought it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    So, you advocate breaking up the family unit and allowing the government to take away a parent's right to make decisions about their own children?

    I don't want to hear you complaining when the state decides teaching the Christian religion in a home is abusive.

    Because, you brought it.
    You bought it.
    Make all the lame excuses and bogus analogies you want, it doesn't change anything.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Make all the lame excuses and bogus analogies you want, it doesn't change anything.

    You're right--it doesn't.

    You're big government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    You're right--it doesn't.

    You're big government.
    Yeah, sure. Says the person who wants to force all states to legalize infanticide.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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