Where Have All the Ukraine Cheerleaders Gone?

[FindersKeepers]

Crimea was part of Ukraine. Like California is part of the United States. Do you really not know this? Russia going in and "helping" Crime protect itself against Ukraine is the same as Mexico going on and helping California "protect" itself against the United States. After, of course, seeding California with illegal Mexicans.

Do you really not know this - or are you pretending on a Saturday?

Yes, Crimea was part of Ukraine. At least we agree on that.

What we don't agree on is that one faction in a country should have the unalienable right to subvert and harm another faction.

Your illegal Mexicans/California parallel doesn't come close to being similar.

You're advocating for the genocide of Crimeans and those who live in the Donbas.

And guess what? You'll probably get your wish. After all, what are a few hundred thousands of lives compared to man-made sovereignty maintained?

Careful not to fall off that high horse, my friend.

[FindersKeepers]

"false parallel"

You got something right!

[zelmo1234]

We certainly did not handle this correctly but what do you expect from Liberals, they could $#@! up a wet dream.

but Putin and Russia are Hell bent on expansion.

And of course we do know that as I said we have spec ops on the ground in Ukraine. NO surprise there.

Can we do much better YES can we let Russia run wild? NO

[FindersKeepers]

Well then Mexico going into CA to protect it's citizens which are here illegally would be OK too, At least I would think so.

Crimeans were in Crimea illegally?

Who woulda thunk it???

[FindersKeepers]

Yes

No

[NoisyBoy]

Russia occupied Crimea and then declared it annexed. Not a false parallel.

Who would Mexico have to overthrow in California in order to become a part of Mexico? Newsome?...Biden? The state government of California?

[DGUtley]

Yes, Crimea was part of Ukraine. At least we agree on that. What we don't agree on is that one faction in a country should have the unalienable right to subvert and harm another faction. Your illegal Mexicans/California parallel doesn't come close to being similar. You're advocating for the genocide of Crimeans and those who live in the Donbas. And guess what? You'll probably get your wish. After all, what are a few hundred thousands of lives compared to man-made sovereignty maintained? Careful not to fall off that high horse, my friend.

The Mexico / California comparison is directly on point. You don't want to admit it b/c it blows up your self-righteousness.

Please link me to a post where I advocated for the genocide of Crimeans or apologize. (and if you think Russia moving in was anything other than territorial aggression for raw materials disguised as "protecting" people, then I'm disappointed in you.)

[zelmo1234]

Who would Mexico have to overthrow in California in order to become a part of Mexico? Newsome?...Biden? The state government of California?

I don't know but if you find out lets send them the list!

[NoisyBoy]

I don't know but if you find out lets send them the list!

[blackjack21]

Now that we know with certainty the US government and essentially every news outlet has lied to us the whole time, that there are American soldiers in Ukraine fighting Russian soldiers, and that we are losing, where have the cheerleaders gone?

I think it's very unlikely the US has placed US forces in places where they will engage in direct action. If anything, they probably have SF units training up new soldiers and specialists teaching them how to use and maintain equipment provided to them.

The US is illegally fighting a war against Russia in Ukraine.

This is a dubious claim. The UN Charter allows any member to assist another member who has been invaded. The US has never officially put WWII to bed. Keep in mind, the official name of our WWII alliance was not "the allies," but rather "the United Nations." The UN Charter is a victors pact, which is why the permanent members of the UNSC (with veto power no less), are the principal alliance partners during WWII.

What is legally far more dubious is having combat troops in Syria, for example.

Why hasn't SECDEF Austin been arrested?

That won't happen, because the Democrats are trying to put up their own black face to get passed Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice.

False parallel.

How so? The US did this throughout the 19th Century, particularly in Texas, California, and Hawaii.

Russia didn't invade Crimea.

Russia annexed Crimea.

If Russia--by going in and helping Crimea protect itself against greater Ukraine--could be considered as "occupying" it, then the United States is now occupying Ukraine.

Russia didn't have the consent of the extant government, and the United States did. Annexing territory is a violation of the UN Charter.

Your illegal Mexicans/California parallel doesn't come close to being similar.

It's more similar than you think. A lot of ethnic Russians were put into Ukraine to work in heavy industry under the Soviet Union. They aren't the majority, but they are a significant plurality.

You're advocating for the genocide of Crimeans and those who live in the Donbas.

That depends on what you mean by genocide. The term has acquired quite some elasticity in recent decades. "Ethnic cleansing" was a term invented to get around the requirement of Wester powers to intervene in genocides such as the Tutsi/Hutu fiasco in the 1990s. I think, in practical terms, you need to have the right skin color or ethnicity for "genocide" to apply these days.