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    Exclamation The Once Unthinkable Revolution Coming to Figure Skating Is the sport ready?

    The Once Unthinkable Revolution Coming to Figure Skating - Is the sport ready? Some of its biggest stars think so.


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    It was spring 2022, and the Winter Olympics season had finally come to a close. Under the glare of fluorescent lights in a nearly empty arena in London, Ontario, two of figure skating’s most decorated athletes circled each other with ease. Four years—knocked askew by the pandemic, injuries, and illnesses—had just culminated in both receiving medals they’d worked toward for their entire careers. Now, with no upcoming competition, no pressure, and no expectations, they took each other by the hand and glided across the ice.


    As piano echoed over the sound system, they began to dance, their bodies matching effortlessly, limbs stretching in identical lines, torsos coiling. With their arms wrapped around each other tightly, they unfurled to spin around in endless motion. Improvisation became choreography, and they alternated between carving across the ice and laughing at a botched move. Over and over, they practiced a Fred Astaire–style dip until it was easy. Cheek to cheek, then far apart with just a single push, the pair forged a new routine.


    From the way they moved in perfect harmony, you’d never guess that they had never competed together. They looked every bit the pros they were. But there was one unusual thing about them: Both were women. For close friends like Gabriella Papadakis and Madison Hubbell—and any two figure skaters who want to compete with a same-gender partner—skating as a team had long been forbidden.



    The International Skating Union, or ISU, expressly prohibits same-gender teams in competition. Pair skating and ice dance teams have both been defined as “one Woman and one Man” since the 1950s, and while athletes of the same gender can skate together in synchronized skating—which showcases teams of eight to 16—competitive rules for teams of two have remained strictly man and woman.



    But several months after Papadakis and Hubbell had that private skate session, there was a startling change. In September 2022, in a unanimous ruling, Skate Canada, the country’s figure skating governing body, made history when it removed all gendered language from its competition rulebook, redefining teams as “Partner A and Partner B.” For the first time, same-gender teams and out nonbinary athletes using correct pronouns would be able to compete at Canada’s national events.
















    https://slate.com/culture/2023/04/fi...irs-rules.html
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    In most pair skating events, I think a stronger male would be an asset when it comes to lifts and throws, but if two females (or two males) can participate and do well--more power to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    In most pair skating events, I think a stronger male would be an asset when it comes to lifts and throws, but if two females (or two males) can participate and do well--more power to them.

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    The two male part is the big change. Two powerful throwers/catchers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The two male part is the big change. Two powerful throwers/catchers.

    And, that's probably going to bump male/female and female/female pairs down a bit. It'll be especially tough for the female/female pairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    And, that's probably going to bump male/female and female/female pairs down a bit. It'll be especially tough for the female/female pairs.
    That is what I think.
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    Zut alors!! Two women skating together in the year of our Lord 2023? Wearing pants?? Unthinkable!! Someone call Ron DeSantis, it's a tPF scandal!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The two male part is the big change. Two powerful throwers/catchers.
    But chances are that the throwee is going to be somewhat heavier, so there's that.

    There are many competitive sports in which being a physical male would be an advantage, but I don't see figure skating as being one of them. The components of a performance that are graded are...

    The five program components are:

    Skating Skills - Overall skating quality, including edge control and flow over the ice surface (edges, steps, turns, speed, etc.), clarity of technique and use of effortless power to accelerate and vary speed.

    Transitions - The varied and/or intricate footwork, positions, movement and holds that link all elements.

    Performance - The involvement of the skater physically, emotionally and intellectually in translating the music and choreography.

    Composition - An intentional, developed and/or original arrangement of all types of movements according to the principles of proportion, unity, space, pattern, structure and phrasing.

    Interpretation of Music - The personal and creative translation of the music to the movement on the ice.

    https://www.usfigureskating.org/about/scoring-system

    I don't see how being a male would give a skater an advantage in any of those judged areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    But chances are that the throwee is going to be somewhat heavier, so there's that.

    There are many competitive sports in which being a physical male would be an advantage, but I don't see figure skating as being one of them. The components of a performance that are graded are...

    The five program components are:

    Skating Skills - Overall skating quality, including edge control and flow over the ice surface (edges, steps, turns, speed, etc.), clarity of technique and use of effortless power to accelerate and vary speed.

    Transitions - The varied and/or intricate footwork, positions, movement and holds that link all elements.

    Performance - The involvement of the skater physically, emotionally and intellectually in translating the music and choreography.

    Composition - An intentional, developed and/or original arrangement of all types of movements according to the principles of proportion, unity, space, pattern, structure and phrasing.

    Interpretation of Music - The personal and creative translation of the music to the movement on the ice.

    https://www.usfigureskating.org/about/scoring-system

    I don't see how being a male would give a skater an advantage in any of those judged areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Well, I think..., hell who am I kidding? I don't give a $#@! about figure skating.
    I remember turning on the TV during the Winter Olympics (which I never watch) in 2002, just as this performance was about to begin. I'm still not a fan and I probably haven't watched any figure skating since - but this one is special. It's kind of like...you don't have to be a fan of horse racing to be impressed by Secretariat winning the Belmont Stakes by 31 lengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    But chances are that the throwee is going to be somewhat heavier, so there's that.

    There are many competitive sports in which being a physical male would be an advantage, but I don't see figure skating as being one of them. The components of a performance that are graded are...

    The five program components are:

    Skating Skills - Overall skating quality, including edge control and flow over the ice surface (edges, steps, turns, speed, etc.), clarity of technique and use of effortless power to accelerate and vary speed.

    Transitions - The varied and/or intricate footwork, positions, movement and holds that link all elements.

    Performance - The involvement of the skater physically, emotionally and intellectually in translating the music and choreography.

    Composition - An intentional, developed and/or original arrangement of all types of movements according to the principles of proportion, unity, space, pattern, structure and phrasing.

    Interpretation of Music - The personal and creative translation of the music to the movement on the ice.

    https://www.usfigureskating.org/about/scoring-system

    I don't see how being a male would give a skater an advantage in any of those judged areas.
    Perhaps the composition could be somewhat more athletic, in the sense of more gymnastic movements.
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