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    Quote Originally Posted by invictus View Post
    I don't think "We did you a favor" is going to fly with people that were treated like cattle for a couple of hundred of years...


    I'm certainly not in favor of reparations. But I do think some favorable financial terms for housing and such are not a bad idea, things that Black people were specifically denied up until the civil rights act. But first and foremost, schools in inner cities needs to be $#@!ing fixed and the need to teach actual subject that are of value for future careers. Like math and science...
    Slavers in the 17th and 18th century certainly were not doing Africans favors. My question was- as things turned out, are todays blacks in America better off than had their ancestors not been forced to America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Young View Post
    You really need an introduction to The great Thomas Sowell. Here's an introduction with references on the right. https://www.google.com/search?q=thom...id:mS5WYp5xmvI

    I listen to Sowell here and there. But I also listen to other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Slavers in the 17th and 18th century certainly were not doing Africans favors. My question was- as things turned out, are todays blacks in America better off than had their ancestors not been forced to America.
    Depends how you look at it...

    A large portion of Africans still hunt their food and have some sort of life. Whereas a lot of Black Americans struggle getting a job that keeps them solvent. They're technically "richer" than the Africans but value has a different definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invictus View Post
    I listen to Sowell here and there. But I also listen to other people.
    I'm sure you do but Sowell countered one of your points very well so thought you might be interested. He's a largely unrecognized national treasure who's seen and done it all..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Slavers in the 17th and 18th century certainly were not doing Africans favors. My question was- as things turned out, are todays blacks in America better off than had their ancestors not been forced to America.
    Many Blacks in America are unhappy with their lives yet many Blacks in other countries dream of coming to America. Sometimes we're disappointed by our unrealistic expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Young View Post
    I'm sure you do but Sowell countered one of your points very well so thought you might be interested. He's a largely unrecognized national treasure who's seen and done it all..
    He's a very smart and knowledgeable guy for sure. But there are other aspects, especially within psychology that also points to certain thing... Though I should mention that the whole "get a participation trophy" was also born out of psychology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackercruster View Post



    If America's best choice for President is a senile, treasonous fool or a lying, egomaniacal conman...does America deserve to implode?




    Policy over personality. Once you look at in that way you will either support Trump because he is not owned and despite his assholism, or you will support neither. But it would be difficult to imagine too many people supporting Biden's policy and/or lack thereof.

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