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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierOnassis View Post
    My 1982 Buick Regal was in many ways junky. It had only about 50,000 miles on it when I bought it for $750. But the head gasket blew out, the rear windows were designed not to roll down (it had wind wings that did open), and it caught fire and destroyed itself after I had driven it only about 12,000 miles. My 1986 Hyundai Excel 2 door lasted me 4 times as long, and it was mostly quite easy to work on.

    To date, the very best car I have owned is my present 2014 Subaru Outback. I have had no serious problems in 5 years.
    I would consider the Outback when I decide to replace what I have.
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    Quality control is a management decision.

    The cause of our auto industry’s demise is gubmint intervention by legislating technology into existence that did not exist and demanding that it be implemented far faster than it could be developed.

    Most people don’t realize that the vintage family station wagon was de facto taxed out of existence, and the SUV legislated into dominance … all for the supposed greater good.
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    Union membership continues to decline

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-2000/

    37% of those union workers are government workers. How frickin ridiculous is that.
    A union to represent a government worker. That's just government paying off unions that then give part of it back directly to Democrat candidates. It is corruption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Remember the no-show GM jobs? Obama did not make them give them up when he bought them out.


    ?? let me guess getting paid not to work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I would consider the Outback when I decide to replace what I have.
    My wife has had two straight Subarus and they are excellent cars. And if you live where we live they live up to their claim of being "the official car of winter"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    Quality control is a management decision.

    The cause of our auto industry’s demise is gubmint intervention by legislating technology into existence that did not exist and demanding that it be implemented far faster than it could be developed.

    Most people don’t realize that the vintage family station wagon was de facto taxed out of existence, and the SUV legislated into dominance … all for the supposed greater good.
    That is a distortion of what happened. The reality is that the emissions standards are more strict for cars than for trucks, so to continue to keep the fleet emissions for each company lower, they built SUVs and christened them to be light trucks. The government did no deliberately tax station wagons, they simply stopped building them, The manufacturers are simply furgling with the emissions laws.

    It is NOT a case of the evil government punishing station wagons; it is a case of the manufacturers fiddling with the regulations. Th manufacturers often participate in writing the regulations.

    My Outback averages about 21 mph around town. However, when I get it on an uncluttered highway and set the cruise control at 60 mph, the mpg indicator can climb up to 36 mpg. Unfortunately, the highways around Miami are cluttered every day but Sundays and some holidays.

    The Outback has LOTS more usable space inside than a standard station wagon, because it has more vertical space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierOnassis View Post
    According to Consumer Reports, quality of cars in general, have improved greatly. In the 1950's a car with 100,000 miles was pretty much done for, because the engine would need rings, mains and valves. Better oil has had a LOT to do with it. But so do more precise tolerances in fitting the parts together.

    Lexus seems to rate the highest among all makes, but some GM and Fords have also ranked very highly in durability.
    Yes, automotive technology has improved greatly since the 1950’s.
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    GM made awful cars from the 1970's through the 1980's by poor design. The Vega COULD have been a decent car, but rather that put the Cosford engine in it, they used an aluminum engine without steel piston inserts, and a body without adequate rustproofing that combined with the atmosphere at an alarming rate. The goal was to outsell the also awful Ford Pinto.


    They used the same body for Cadillac, Olds, Buick, Pontiac and Chevrolet using the formula Cheap, cheaper, and three degrees of cheapest. Under Roger Smith, GM lost market share every year, and Roger Smith got a bonus despite that. GM lost sales because of guys like Smith far more than because of allegedly lazy UAW workers.

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