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    Imaginative Conservative

    This beauteous site radiates spiritual & intellectual light from Western lamps!
    This piece on heroic Whittaker Chambers is one example:

    https://theimaginativeconservative.o...-chalberg.html

    “Man without mysticism is a monster.” This is one of many truth-telling lines in Whittaker Chambers’ truth-telling book, “Witness.”

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    Lets try posting debatable topics not just site links.


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    I agree, he could do more to establish the topic.

    But he's right about the Imaginative Conservative. Many good essays there.

    As to "Whittaker Chambers’ 'Witness': A Story for the Ages," it's an interesting piece I've been reading. It pits Menchkin against Chambers and follows as Chambers changes over time.

    Who knows for sure, but the full-time Baltimorean (Mencken) might well have had a part-time Baltimorean (Chambers) in mind when he wrote the following: “I dislike and distrust all communists and Calvinists and other such enemies of reason. But I dislike and distrust ex-communists and ex-Calvinists very much more.”

    Chambers was initially a communist.

    But should Menckens have rejected Chambers?

    On the other hand, Chambers was surely right about the H. L. Menckens of the early twentieth century. Chambers regarded the twentieth century as “unique in the history of man for two reasons.” As Chambers saw it, his century—and Mencken’s—was the “first century since life began when a decisive part of the most articulate section of mankind (had) not merely ceased to believe in God, but (had) deliberately rejected God.”

    The second reason clinched matters for Chambers. His century—and Mencken’s—was also the century “in which this religious rejection had taken a specifically political form.” As a result, “the conflict between the two great camps of men—those who reject and those who worship God”—had become “irrepressible.”

    Chambers changed in time.

    What’s more than doubly important here is that Chambers saw himself as a witness is a double sense. He would not just be a witness against communism, but he would also be a witness of and for his newly found faith in God. The communist courier had become a faithful Quaker.

    ...At the time of his departure from the CP, Chambers defined it to be a “contest” between “capitalism and communism,” each of which was essentially a materialistic philosophy. But there was this crucial difference: Capitalism was a philosophy that had abandoned religion, while communism was a philosophy that had become a religion. From Chambers’ impending post-communist vantage point, such a contest was really no contest.
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    Capitalism is not a system of government, it is an economic system, a tool for creating companies and corporations, and a highly effective one. Religion is not related to capitalism at all. The People's Republic began using capitalism as a method for economic development in the mid 1980's with phenomenal success. Of course, Xi calls it "Communism with Chinese characteristics". And every banknote in Chinese currency has Chairman Mao's image on it.

    While there are Americans who have never actually paid off a house or a car call themselves "capitalists".

    Most Americans are not capitalists, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierOnassis View Post
    Capitalism is not a system of government, it is an economic system, a tool for creating companies and corporations, and a highly effective one. Religion is not related to capitalism at all. The People's Republic began using capitalism as a method for economic development in the mid 1980's with phenomenal success. Of course, Xi calls it "Communism with Chinese characteristics". And every banknote in Chinese currency has Chairman Mao's image on it.

    While there are Americans who have never actually paid off a house or a car call themselves "capitalists".

    Most Americans are not capitalists, of course.
    I will agree with that, the government is too involved in picking winners and losers, in the business world.

    Capitalism as it should be started to die in the early 1900's with the Trust busting and medaling by the federal government Creating the mega rich, and many of those families still hold that title today

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierOnassis View Post
    Capitalism is not a system of government, it is an economic system, a tool for creating companies and corporations, and a highly effective one. Religion is not related to capitalism at all. The People's Republic began using capitalism as a method for economic development in the mid 1980's with phenomenal success. Of course, Xi calls it "Communism with Chinese characteristics". And every banknote in Chinese currency has Chairman Mao's image on it.

    While there are Americans who have never actually paid off a house or a car call themselves "capitalists".

    Most Americans are not capitalists, of course.
    China uses "state capitalism."

    What we often see in the west is "crony capitalism."
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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierOnassis View Post
    Capitalism is not a system of government, it is an economic system, a tool for creating companies and corporations, and a highly effective one. Religion is not related to capitalism at all. The People's Republic began using capitalism as a method for economic development in the mid 1980's with phenomenal success. Of course, Xi calls it "Communism with Chinese characteristics". And every banknote in Chinese currency has Chairman Mao's image on it.

    While there are Americans who have never actually paid off a house or a car call themselves "capitalists".

    Most Americans are not capitalists, of course.


    Actually, capitalism is not even a system. What Adam Smith wrote was a description of how markets work, not a theory, and certainly not a prescription. Marx is the one that called it a system upon which he could, with one minor change, create the theory of socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Actually, capitalism is not even a system. What Adam Smith wrote was a description of how markets work, not a theory, and certainly not a prescription. Marx is the one that called it a system upon which he could, with one minor change, create the theory of socialism.
    Capitalism is a legal arrangement. I would call it a system, you can call it as you wish.
    The arrangement is that a groups of investors (capitalists) collectively pool their money to create a company that will provide, goods, services or perhaps both, to earn more money. If the company owes money it cannot repay, or is sued for dong harm, no investor is liable for more than he has invested. Only the capital he has invested can be lost.

    Hence the British term "Limited": the liability of the investor is limited to the amount he has invested.

    A capitalist is by definition a person who invests money in a company and profits from he earnings of said company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierOnassis View Post
    Capitalism is a legal arrangement. I would call it a system, you can call it as you wish.
    0The arrangement is that a groups of investors (capitalists) collectively pool their money to create a company that will provide, goods, services or perhaps both, to earn more money. If the company owes money it cannot repay, or is sued for dong harm, no investor is liable for more than he has invested. Only the capital he has invested can be lost.

    Hence the British term "Limited": the liability of the investor is limited to the amount he has invested.

    A capitalist is by definition a person who invests money in a company and profits from he earnings of said company.
    Yes, it’s one of the great religions, which is why the Founders gave it to us as the very bestest form of government and banned evil socialism where bad people help each other.

    That’s what my tranny groomers taught me in Reading Hour, anyway.

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    So now capitalism is a religion.

    And these are guys who say science is religion.

    Liberals.
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