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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar View Post
    I can't help but wonder if this is true for drivers of other races also. The media probably has black drivers so paranoid that they tend to react poorly though. I remember BLM telling black people that if a policeman tried to arrest you, you must resist otherwise they will murder you.
    Interesting. So you blame the media, not the police officers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Now_What View Post
    Interesting. So you blame the media, not the police officers.
    Yes. I don't doubt black people face some racism from some police officers, but the media, and people like LeBron James have blown the threat all out of proportion. LeBron James said he is afraid to leave his house because police officers will be hunting him. Even though he's had police escorts to games. And BLM telling black people to always resist arrest is a sure way to get more black people killed in police encounters. Plus, you know research says that per contact, the police are more likely to shoot an unarmed white person than an unarmed black person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley
    Car stops that result in a search, handcuffing, or arrest are nearly three times more likely to begin with the police officer issuing a command, such as "Keep your hands on the wheel" or "Turn the car off."
    "Turn the car off" does not seem unreasonable, and may say more about the driver being pulled over than the officer. "Keep your hands on the wheel" suggests the officer is nervous about the detainee.

    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley
    This concern about escalation extends from encounters involving use of force to routine car stops, where Black drivers are disproportionately pulled over.
    While I can certainly debate the issue seriously, I have some very dear friends who are police officers. When they decide to pull a car over, they rarely know the race of the driver before they get to the driver's side window.

    Where I will be a bit more polemical, I'll blame virtually all of it on Democrats--fairly or unfairly--principally, because I live in a one-party state. During the Obama administration, I would often point out that the reasons blacks are more likely to be pulled over is because they are frequently driving cars with equipment violations and expired registrations. When I moved into my new house in 2015, I was debating this very topic. A code enforcement officer came to my door and told me that my car couldn't be on the street with expired tags. I told him it was not my car. It belonged to my neighbor's daughter next door--they're a black family. They're quite nice people, but I'm sure she may have been pulled over in that time frame for expired tags. When taking a walk in the neighborhood and looking at vehicle tags, all of the expired tags belonged to black neighbors.

    Now, why do I get polemical about this? Who loves taxing the crap out of people? Democrats. Who will make for extraordinarily high late fees if you don't pay on time? Democrats. Who will justify this type of law to no end? Democrats. Who does it hurt the worst? Poor people. Who are disproportionately poor? Blacks. While I both understand and sympathize with black drivers encountering this issue, it's the issue where my sympathy ends. Black people tend to vote for the very people who use these schemes to oppress them.

    The killing of George Floyd, after a Minneapolis police officer forcibly removed him from his car for using a counterfeit $20 bill at a local store, led to the largest racial justice movement of the 21st century (1). Millions bore witness to the power of the camera to capture police–community interactions as they go awry (2). This filmed incident, perhaps more than any other, highlighted the need to reimagine public safety and renewed calls for police de-escalation training nationwide (3).
    I think we have all seen what happened, and I think we all agree in some way that Derek Chauvin used excessive force. However, the text of this "study" makes it sound like using a counterfeit $20 bill is not a big deal. It is in fact a felony and a federal crime. A state might punish a $20 bill offense as a misdemeanor, but it is still indisputably a crime.

    I am a fan of police body cameras, and it is one of the few things I think Barack Obama got right.

    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley
    If you look at the study, escalation then happens.
    Yes, but what changes the initial choice of words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omar
    I can't help but wonder if this is true for drivers of other races also.
    Almost certainly. Say a 211 suspect flees a store in a green Chevy. If the police see a green Chevy with a busted taillight and decide to pull it over and check, they're more likely to say "Keep your hands on the wheel" if they suspect that the driver is the felon they are looking for. Frankly, any cop making that stop would make a request like that or "turn off the motor" if they suspect they're detaining a felon, and regardless of race. So I don't think this study can really provide any probative value.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omar
    I remember BLM telling black people that if a policeman tried to arrest you, you must resist otherwise they will murder you.
    Unfortunately, that is very common in the black community. We hear in the news of black families having "the conversation" with their kids, but they are hearing "resist arrest" pretty much everywhere. That's a misdemeanor and usually ends badly. It's absolutely terrible advice. "Punch the cop" is even worse, because assaulting a police officer is a felony.

    Quote Originally Posted by Now_What
    Interesting. So you blame the media, not the police officers.
    Resisting arrest is a crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omar
    I don't doubt black people face some racism from some police officers, but the media, and people like LeBron James have blown the threat all out of proportion.
    And that is their intention. Don't get me wrong. There are cops who are criminal, and some who are just unprofessional. In the neighboring town where I live, there is a big scandal over racist texts and excessive force.



    Using racial language isn't criminal, but it's unprofessional. If it's indicative of criminal behavior on the part of the officer, it is evidentiary. The police get treated very badly by the criminal element, but now by grandstanding politicians too. So if a police officer responds to a question of "what are you doing?" with "violating someone's civil rights", that's unprofessional conduct, but may be indicative of nothing more than cynicism, and may be indicative of criminal behavior. That's why having body cams is a good thing.

    One of my cop buddy's says the new police chief in this case is a very solid guy. The chief was his captain in San Francisco at one point.



    Right now 38 of 99 officers are on leave, so the city is quite underserved and criminals are having a field day.


    Quote Originally Posted by Omar
    And BLM telling black people to always resist arrest is a sure way to get more black people killed in police encounters.
    Unfortunately, it does. Even a conviction for resisting arrest will turn up on a search during a job application, and people lose job opportunities over that.

    This was one of my rhetorical taunts during the Obama administration when they were arguing that there was racism in hiring. I noted that much of what would be considered racism in hiring is perfectly protected, because employers are not required to hire someone with a record of violent crime. Sadly, blacks who listen to the "resist arrest" mantra, or "tell the cop to $#@! off!" type thing do a great disservice to people.
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