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No one did that either, Wolf. I accept your surrender. Have a great day.Originally Posted by Standing Wolf
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No one did that either, Wolf. I accept your surrender. Have a great day.
Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.
~Alain de Benoist
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Let me be clear here: I am giving my opinion as an atheist--agnostic atheist, if I must spell it out--that evil as a force in and of itself acting on humans, Flip Wilson's "The Devil made me do it!"--is a metaphor. That's my opinion, that how I read the Biblical passages about it. So far as I know the anthropomorphization of Satan didn't really occur until John Milton wrote "Paradise Lost" for which anthropomorphization as tragic hero he has been criticized. Less criticized for that but similar anthropomorphization of Satan and other abstractions can be found in Paul Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress published a decade or so after "Paradise Lost."
I'm open to correction of my opinion but from Christians, not atheists pretending to fathom Christianity.
For some comic relief:
Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler
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I could equally assert that the entire notion of God is an abstraction, so what then? Does it seem reasonable to suggest that absent a god, we simply abandon ourselves to meaningless chaos? Perhaps instead, it makes more sense develop ideals and principles to live by.
We can't measure or observe any thoughts, which likewise don't exist in any material sense. We, as in humanity, can give our thoughts, ideas, principles tangibility and meaning through our actions and judgments.
As to tautologies and circular arguments, isn't the very notion of perfect truth and perfect morality part of a tautology or derived from a circular argument that predicates their alleged existence on the existence of a perfect divine being that itself may be simply an abstraction? Then it's not so much that reason, evil, truth or justice are abstractions but that perfection is the abstraction.
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"The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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We = humanity. I suggest harm because it can be objectively determined.
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"The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.”
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It has whatever inherent meaning or purpose that the individual determines. The reason is because without meaning or purpose we tend to lose interest in living. Perhaps it's an evolved aspect of our survival instinct.
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"The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Yes, you could easily assert that. What then? Nothing. You haven't answrered the question. Does it seem reasonable to suggest that absent a god, we simply abandon ourselves to meaningless chaos? NO. Are you asking for a reason? No one said we should.
So, human beings give all things meaning. That's the ciruclar argument he's referring to.
No one mentioned perfect truth, perfect morality etc. whatever those might be.
Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.
~Alain de Benoist
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Then it's not inherent.
Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.
~Alain de Benoist
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I notice he doesn't use the word nihilistic. His word, as evidenced in the title of the book, is humanism.One can be nihilistic without being a nihilist just as one can be pessimistic without being a pessimist etc etc.
So what is that meaning and whereof does is derive? WHat have you discovered? Where's the accounting? Where's the beef?
Henri de Lubac's 1944 Preface to The Drama of Atheist Humanism:
https://www.google.com/books/edition...sec=frontcover
In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.
"The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Fine, innate, if you prefer.
In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.
"The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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It's not innate either.
Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.
~Alain de Benoist
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