The Army Is Begging Unvaccinated Soldiers To Return

[Peter1469]

Not even a little bit relevant. They disobeyed a lawful order issued by the Commander in Chief. There is no excuse for that. There should be no forgiving it.

Do you think any of those sniveling little $#@!stains would have climbed the cliffs at Pointe du Hoc? Do you think any of them would stood tall when McAuliffe replied "Nuts" to the German envoy demanding his surrender in the Aredennes? Do you think any of them would responded like PFC Martin in the Battle of the Bulge?

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No, they would whined and said they were cold and their feet hurt and those bad Nazis might hurt them. Every last one of them was a spoiled little $#@! and a coward and deserving of nothing but contempt

Well we already established that the problem was the feckless leadership that issued the lawful order.


A good NCO would have called them on their bull$#@!.

[Peter1469]

Almost certainly true, but until such time as he is removed from office or relieved of his duties under the 25th Amendment, he IS the Commander in Chief and the order he gave was a lawful one. If it had been an unlawful order and troops refused to obey it, I would be applauding them, but that is not what happened.

I am not so lock step as you.

But I was called a radical.

[Cletus]

Well we already established that the problem was the feckless leadership that issued the lawful order.

No, that wasn't the problem. The problem was the self indulgent, whiny assed pieces of Pelosi who thought they could pick and choose what LAWFUL orders to obey and the leadership that let them get away with it.

A good NCO would have called them on their bull$#@!.

A good NCO would have brought up questions about the order and then when the chain of command made its final decision, he would have done everything in his power to carry it out.

[Cletus]

I am not so lock step as you.

Lock step?

No. I was anything but "Lock step". But I also was not some wet behind the ears, pussified, self indulgent piece of $#@! Mama's Boy who thought he could pick and choose what orders to obey based not on their legality but whether I LIKED them. I never hesitated to question orders if I had doubts about them, but unlike some, I knew that ultimately, when all the questions were asked, when all the recommendations for alternate courses of action were made and rejected, it was the job of a GOOD NCO to carry out those final orders and execute them to the best of his ability, even if he didn't agree with them and it was the job of a GOOD soldier to obey them.

Maybe you never learned that. If you didn't, that was the fault of the leadership above you.

When the $#@! did it become okay to disobey a lawful order just because you didn't like it?

[Peter1469]

Right, lock step. I'm not that.

Lock step?

No. I was anything but "Lock step". But I also was not some wet behind the ears, pussified, self indulgent piece of $#@! Mama's Boy who thought he could pick and choose what orders to obey based not on their legality but whether I LIKED them. I never hesitated to question orders if I had doubts about them, but unlike some, I knew that ultimately, when all the questions were asked, when all the recommendations for alternate courses of action were made and rejected, it was the job of a GOOD NCO to carry out those final orders and execute them to the best of his ability, even if he didn't agree with them and it was the job of a GOOD soldier to obey them.

Maybe you never learned that. If you didn't, that was the fault of the leadership above you.

When the $#@! did it become okay to disobey a lawful order just because you didn't like it?

[Cletus]

Right, lock step. I'm not that.

It would seem someone forgot the oath he took when he enlisted.

[carolina73]

It is called a change to a total lack of faith in the leadership of the armed forces under the woke crowd and Joe Biden.

The troops essentially resigned despite the other-than honorable discharges they received.

In the end they were right and everyone involved with the decision should be fired from the military.

But I don't think it is just that. I think it was recognition that their new leaders were willing to put their lives at risk over politics. Don't shoot back until you see the whites of their eyes became; don't shoot back until you get permission from a DC lawyer. If you put the terrorist that killed your fellow soldiers in a nude pyramid then you are going to jail for 10 years. Our soldiers were getting sick from burn pits but they kept them doing it. Then they have a Rose Garden ceremony for a real traitor and give free sex changes to them.

Civilians used to respect the FBI also but no longer.

[Bigdog]

It would seem someone forgot the oath he took when he enlisted.

Yes how dare Peter use his Brain and think for himself on certain matters, the problem here Cletus is you trying to make a proven failed and also proven dangerous vaccine as some order all soldiers must follow regardless of their opinion on it. Now the idiot military has basically screwed themselves knowing they can't replace these people who they discharged for basically political reasons, and not your disobeying orders nonsense you're trying to make it into.

It was rather clear from the get go that the vaccines didn't work and were potentially dangerous to many, i hope these soldiers give this country that turned their back on them the middle finger salute, most have probably already moved on to more lucrative lives were they are free from someone like you thinking they should be able to tell them how to live their lives!

[Cletus]

Yes how dare Peter use his Brain and think for himself on certain matters, the problem here Cletus is you trying to make a proven failed and also proven dangerous vaccine as some order all soldiers must follow regardless of their opinion on it. Now the idiot military has basically screwed themselves knowing they can't replace these people who they discharged for basically political reasons, and not your disobeying orders nonsense you're trying to make it into.

Bull$#@!. they disobeyed a lawful order. That is the only thing that matters.

It was rather clear from the get go that the vaccines didn't work and were potentially dangerous to many, i hope these soldiers give this country that turned their back on them the middle finger salute, most have probably already moved on to more lucrative lives were they are free from someone like you thinking they should be able to tell them how to live their lives!

The country didn't turn its back on them. They turned their back on their country.

Duty, Honor Country... You may not understand what that means, but some of us do.

The Oath of Enlistment (for enlisted):

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."


You will notice the oath doesn't say "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the officers appointed over me UNLESS I AM SCARED OR DON'T LIKE THE ORDER".

They violated their oath. It was a legal order. They refused it. There is no excuse for it. There is no justification for it.

[Peter1469]

It would seem someone forgot the oath he took when he enlisted.

I guess so.

But not all of us were boot licks.

I was the youngest NCO in the army. I was called a radical.