User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 38

Thread: Alt theory on the Rus-Ukraine war

  1. #1
    Original Ranter
    Points: 850,769, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    494956
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    239,320
    Points
    850,769
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    152,038
    Thanked 145,962x in 93,399 Posts
    Mentioned
    2541 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Alt theory on the Rus-Ukraine war

    What if Russia never intended to conquer Ukraine or conclude the war quickly. Russia is known for long grinding wars. Even the attacks inside Russia to include Moscow, have strengthened the resolve of the Russian people and Putin's favorable rates are higher now than before the war.

    We assume Russia wants a short victorious war. But if we make are plans to counter Russia based on believing Russia thinks like the West, are plans may plan into whatever Putin is thinking.
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  2. The Following User Says Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    FindersKeepers (11-30-2023)

  3. #2
    Points: 64,730, Level: 62
    Level completed: 14%, Points required for next Level: 1,820
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Social50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    The Xl's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    196597
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    27,967
    Points
    64,730
    Level
    62
    Thanks Given
    6,255
    Thanked 19,792x in 11,974 Posts
    Mentioned
    433 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I just don't see the upside to a long war for Russia. A bunch of young men have either died or fled and they've become a pariah state to much of the world. I don't have a horse in this race, but I don't see how this favors Russia.

  4. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to The Xl For This Useful Post:

    donttread (11-30-2023),Mister D (12-03-2023)

  5. #3
    Points: 171,496, Level: 98
    Level completed: 47%, Points required for next Level: 2,154
    Overall activity: 20.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsSocialVeteran
    donttread's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    88315
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    51,529
    Points
    171,496
    Level
    98
    Thanks Given
    17,912
    Thanked 20,283x in 14,629 Posts
    Mentioned
    317 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    I just don't see the upside to a long war for Russia. A bunch of young men have either died or fled and they've become a pariah state to much of the world. I don't have a horse in this race, but I don't see how this favors Russia.
    Probably the same way Iraq favored us. The superrich git richer without taking any personal risk and egos got to flex

  6. #4
    Original Ranter
    Points: 850,769, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    494956
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    239,320
    Points
    850,769
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    152,038
    Thanked 145,962x in 93,399 Posts
    Mentioned
    2541 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    I just don't see the upside to a long war for Russia. A bunch of young men have either died or fled and they've become a pariah state to much of the world. I don't have a horse in this race, but I don't see how this favors Russia.
    Yet Russia has a long history of long wars.
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  7. #5
    Original Ranter
    Points: 850,769, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    494956
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    239,320
    Points
    850,769
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    152,038
    Thanked 145,962x in 93,399 Posts
    Mentioned
    2541 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Probably the same way Iraq favored us. The superrich git richer without taking any personal risk and egos got to flex
    That might be part of it.

    But look what the war is doing to NATO- expending lots of money/arms. Cracks appearing. There are debates in the EU (not NATO) about whether they even have a right of self defense.

    Maybe Russia is willing to go long to drain the West.
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  8. The Following User Says Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    MisterVeritis (12-01-2023)

  9. #6
    Points: 23,372, Level: 37
    Level completed: 19%, Points required for next Level: 978
    Overall activity: 38.0%
    Achievements:
    3 months registered10000 Experience Points
    jes'fuchinwitcha's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    1664
    Join Date
    Mar 2023
    Posts
    7,577
    Points
    23,372
    Level
    37
    Thanks Given
    1,660
    Thanked 1,657x in 1,315 Posts
    Mentioned
    57 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    What if Russia never intended to conquer Ukraine or conclude the war quickly. Russia is known for long grinding wars. Even the attacks inside Russia to include Moscow, have strengthened the resolve of the Russian people and Putin's favorable rates are higher now than before the war.
    We assume Russia wants a short victorious war. But if we make are plans to counter Russia based on believing Russia thinks like the West, are plans may plan into whatever Putin is thinking.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Why do you ask so many fantastically stupid questions?
    You can't solve a problem until you understand what the problem is...

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to jes'fuchinwitcha For This Useful Post:

    Mini Me (12-28-2023)

  11. #7
    Points: 260,154, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 89.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsSocialVeteranTagger First ClassOverdrive
    Awards:
    Activity Award
    MisterVeritis's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    307325
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    Northern Alabama
    Posts
    103,433
    Points
    260,154
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    93,982
    Thanked 38,698x in 27,552 Posts
    Mentioned
    382 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    That might be part of it.

    But look what the war is doing to NATO- expending lots of money/arms. Cracks appearing. There are debates in the EU (not NATO) about whether they even have a right of self defense.

    Maybe Russia is willing to go long to drain the West.
    While I don't believe that was Putin's intention I did note some time ago that this small war is bleeding the US white.

    Europe never really stepped up. This small war revealed to everyone that NATO is one big social/drinking club with almost every round paid for by American taxpayers.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


    I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.

  12. The Following User Says Thank You to MisterVeritis For This Useful Post:

    Peter1469 (12-01-2023)

  13. #8
    Original Ranter
    Points: 296,773, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 38.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Mister D's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    416361
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    117,472
    Points
    296,773
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    25,213
    Thanked 53,306x in 36,324 Posts
    Mentioned
    1100 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    I just don't see the upside to a long war for Russia. A bunch of young men have either died or fled and they've become a pariah state to much of the world. I don't have a horse in this race, but I don't see how this favors Russia.
    That's because there isn't one. For the regime perhaps, but not the state.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


    ~Alain de Benoist


  14. #9
    Original Ranter
    Points: 296,773, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 38.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Mister D's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    416361
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    117,472
    Points
    296,773
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    25,213
    Thanked 53,306x in 36,324 Posts
    Mentioned
    1100 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    While I don't believe that was Putin's intention I did note some time ago that this small war is bleeding the US white.

    Europe never really stepped up. This small war revealed to everyone that NATO is one big social/drinking club with almost every round paid for by American taxpayers.
    Of course that wasn't Putin's intention. It's a manifestly ridiculous assertion.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


    ~Alain de Benoist


  15. #10
    Original Ranter
    Points: 296,773, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 38.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Mister D's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    416361
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    117,472
    Points
    296,773
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    25,213
    Thanked 53,306x in 36,324 Posts
    Mentioned
    1100 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    This theory would require us to believe that the Russian military's poor performance was staged, that she willingly and even purposely suffered almost half a million casualties (so far) and massive equipment losses, a plunging ruble, economic woes and has avoided further conscription to fool the West into underestimating Russia's resolve. All of this off the top of my head...(I'm sure there's more) just so Putin the chess master can get the US to spend a small fraction of her defense budget on Ukraine.

    Does anyone seriously believe this?
    Last edited by Mister D; 12-03-2023 at 06:02 PM.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


    ~Alain de Benoist


+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts