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    The Nature of Warfare

    Drones. Inexpensive. Ubiquitous. Lethal.

    Anti-ship ballistic missiles (ASBM). Inexpensive relative to their targets. Ubiquitous. Lethal.

    Each system has its own kill chain and each system has its strengths and weaknesses.

    If the enemy knows where you are he can hit you and kill you.

    We need new forms of intelligence and new forms of defensive, force protection systems to counter drones and ASBMs.

    We need to update the way we think about the nature of war.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Are quality ASBMs cheap?

    Anyway, cheap drones do present a new challenge to the US. We need cheap defenses on a shot basis.

    Tactics will probably not change a lot; just the way we use them. Like screening a force with AI powered drones and vehicles in addition to the infantry we already use. Ships and fleets can have AI powered drone craft with powerful ECM suites that can flood the area with false targets to help absorb hundreds or even thousands of incoming missiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Are quality ASBMs cheap?

    Anyway, cheap drones do present a new challenge to the US. We need cheap defenses on a shot basis.

    Tactics will probably not change a lot; just the way we use them. Like screening a force with AI powered drones and vehicles in addition to the infantry we already use. Ships and fleets can have AI powered drone craft with powerful ECM suites that can flood the area with false targets to help absorb hundreds or even thousands of incoming missiles.
    Yes, Relative to their targets an ASBM costs about 1% or less the cost of the target.

    I think tactics will change profoundly.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Is the cost of a target a valid consideration? Isn't the amount of damage a weapon can inflict of higher importance than what it cost? A suicide bomber can kill far more people than a drone and a suicide bomber is almost free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OLD GUY IN FLORIDA View Post
    Is the cost of a target a valid consideration? Isn't the amount of damage a weapon can inflict of higher importance than what it cost? A suicide bomber can kill far more people than a drone and a suicide bomber is almost free.
    Sure. If I can destroy your 13 billion dollar aircraft carrier with a half dozen million dollar missiles we can play that game all week long.

    If I can destroy your five million dollar tank with a drone that costs 5,000 dollars we can play that game for months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Yes, Relative to their targets an ASBM costs about 1% or less the cost of the target.

    I think tactics will change profoundly.
    In that sense ASBM are cheap. But it isn't like a COS (commercial off the shelf) drone and what adding explosives to it can do to a tank or bunker.
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    I was reading Machiavelli's Art of War this morning. It occurred to me the knights who were rendered obsolete by firearms had the identical problem to aircraft carriers rendered obsolete by anti-ship missiles. Ditto tanks rendered obsolete by anti-tank missiles and inexpensive drones.

    Warfare is about to radically change, I think.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Houthis hit another ship with ballistic missile

    7 Feb 2024:


    Iranian-Backed Houthi Terrorists conduct Multiple Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile Attacks in the Southern Red Sea and Gulf of Aden:


    On Feb. 6, from approximately 1:45 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. (Arabian Standard Time) Iranian-backed Houthi militants fired six anti-ship ballistic missiles (ASBM) from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen toward the Southern Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.
    https://therightscoop.com/breaking-houthis-hit-another-ship-with-ballistic-missile-in-gulf-of-aden/

    We need to understand that warfare has changed.

    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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