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Thread: What system of government does an orchestra have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    Dysfunction is part of the perfection. Most don't see a storm or natural disaster like an earthquake or volcanic eruption as something wonderful, because for us it means death and destruction. But that is the nature of life, it is the nature of the universe. It is the nature of earth and constant change is the truth of nature. Can you show me a time in history when there was a peaceful society without greed or aggression? I don't think you can.

    Of course we can do better, but control of the people is not the way. For a peaceful functional society, freedom and understanding can go a long way. When there is not a boot on our neck it's amazing what humans can do. Look at how we come together during times of disaster. It is often the case that the best of us shines forth. Those are times when gov is broken down, and people are fending for themselves. They pull together and unite to survive and take care of each other.
    That is the nature of the HUMAN Spirit!

    What so many don't get is that Gaia also has its own spirit. It breathes, it pulsates and puts out vibrations

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoisyBoy View Post
    who decides who will be the conductor?
    Not you.
    Never Again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jes'fuchinwitcha View Post
    The context of my thinking is that any group of people, particularly larger ones, require some form of organizational management in order to function. That is what I think of as a government.

    The reason I brought the example of an orchestra up is because of the complexity and discipline required by a large group to achieve the objective, even though participation is all voluntary and often unpaid (in almost 60 years of playing the viola, I made a grand total of sixty bucks playing three Christmas concerts in Montana back in the early 90's).

    I am wondering if there is something to be learned from the example that can inform better, happier government.
    Not Really

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    Quote Originally Posted by jes'fuchinwitcha View Post
    I gather that you don’t have a clue about what I’m trying to share. Oh well…
    No I think that we have a good Idea of what you are getting at. It just does not work,,,,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jes'fuchinwitcha View Post
    There seems to be a lot of resistance to simply considering what makes an orchestra function so well - almost like denying that it is a real or desirable thing. I'm going to put some effort into trying to figure that out today.
    I suspect the negativity is related to the concept of collaboratively working together as a team, and its unfashionableness these days. I was talking with my neighbor yesterday (a philosophy professor at the local university) and he brought up how there was a golden period of national unanimity from WWII through into the 1970's, where government was trusted and leaders were respected. His conjecture is that those years were an anomaly, and that most of human history has been more like the divisive, dishonest, and disrespectful world we have today.
    Interesting that you would mention that time frame. you had WWII Production that finally ended the New Deal policies that prolonged the Great Depression

    We were a country that had just lost a High percentage of our Young men. in a time when there were few families with both people working. We have the Korean and Vietnam wars, the Beginning of the Cold War, the Cuban Missile Crisis

    All of the violence of the civil rights movement The KKK was still active

    And we had the Assignation of a President?

    Do you think it was possible he was not really thinking it through

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    Quote Originally Posted by jes'fuchinwitcha View Post
    Continuing negativity… odd.
    I don't think it is negativity.

    There are just people that are very happy being told what to do and how to think they don't mind the Conductor telling them every note to play The love the Orchestra, and are happy to be part of the Collective

    But then you have the people that are more creative thinkers, they are not happy with the scraps of the Orchestra. They like to go there own way and make there own sound even if they start out with an instrument and a hat on the corner.

    They would never be happy in an Orchestra, so they play Jazz or sing the blues.

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