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    The fermented cereal beverage of the Sumerians may not have been beer

    Archaeological finds from cuneiform tablets and remnants of different vessels from over 4,000 years ago show that even around the dawn of civilisation, fermented cereal juice was highly enjoyed by Mesopotamia’s inhabitants. However, besides the two basic ingredients, barley and emmer (a species of wheat) the brew produced in the clay jars of the Sumerians is shrouded in mystery. Despite an abundance of finds and scribal traditions which point to an early love of fermented cereal beverages, reconstructing ancient brewing methods is very difficult, according to the historian of science and cuneiform writing scholar Peter Damerow of the Max Planck Institute for the History of Science in Berlin. A scholarly paper by Damerow, who passed away at the end of November 2011 in Berlin, carefully examines the beer brewing technologies of the Sumerians. However, the author also expresses great doubts as to whether the popular brew in ancient times was even beer.

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    Cool website.
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    So if it wasn't beer, what was it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conley View Post
    So if it wasn't beer, what was it?
    According to the article we can't say much more beyond the fact that it was a fermented drink.
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    These uncertainties lead to a question, which the author considers “much more fundamental”: to which extent is it at all possible to compare ancient products with modern ones? “Given our limited knowledge about the Sumerian brewing processes, we cannot say for sure whether their end product even contained alcohol”, writes Damerow. There is no way of ascertaining whether the brew was not more similar to the bread drink kvass from Eastern Europe than to German Pilsner, Altbier or wheat beer.
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    We can't even say it contained alcohol? Wow, I am disappointed...I thought that was pretty definite.

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    I remember an initial article when the discovery was made (or a similar discovery).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conley View Post
    We can't even say it contained alcohol? Wow, I am disappointed...I thought that was pretty definite.
    It's seems pretty well accepted but, according to the author(s), it's only a strong probability that it was beer and that it contained alcohol. I don't know if they have been able to test any jugs etc. for traces of alcohol.
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    The guy might be in a minority regarding this. I just thought it was interesting.
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    Oh man, the resident home brewer is late to the discussion.

    It's been widely known in brewing circles that ancient Egyptians have been brewing since the dawn of time. Many geek homebrewers have tried to replicate these "recipes" with either little success or appreciation.

    It's been suggested that nutrients and storage were the necessity that birthed brewing. Nutrients because if you don't eat, you die and storage, if you eat something rancid you die which is why an alcohol based drink that gave you nutrients, kept in the summer time and didn't kill you was seemingly a great invention.

    Getting pissed up was a bonus.

    Now this stuff wasn't carbonated and by most accounts it probably tasted like bile, sour and nasty, gritty maybe but it sustained.

    This "beer" and bread were probably the first of the produced foodstuffs in history.
    my junk is ugly

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