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Thread: One of My Biggest Problems With Libertarianism: It's Totally Amoral and Values-Free

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre View Post
    Not IMMORAL, mind you, but AMORAL.
    It's the exact opposite, actually. Libertarian philosophy is basically a set of moral axioms pertaining to human interaction and association. You should probably correct your misconceptions of libertarian philosophy before you go off on a long rant against it.
    Power always thinks it has a great soul, and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak. And that it is doing God service when it is violating all His laws.
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    Yes, If I say I think the sky is blue, Spectre will tell me that I said it's red and then explain why Republicans believe it is blue.

    I just keep on keepin on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It's the exact opposite, actually. Libertarian philosophy is basically a set of moral axioms pertaining to human interaction and association. You should probably correct your misconceptions of libertarian philosophy before you go off on a long rant against it.
    Don't bother homie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    See, folks, this is the problem with people who have a deep-seated fear of ideas that are outside their comfort zone. They will filter out anything you say that would damage that precious bubble they have cast around themselves, and interpret what is left in such a way that strengthens their bubble.

    Any rational person would see that I not only did not admit to the "truth" of your post, but rather vehemently condemned it as lies.
    You've condemned them as lies, which is rather different from proving them to be lies.

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    I think spectre is confusing libertine with libertarian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    What truths? All you ever present is your opinion dressed up as facts and slathered in put-downs. As long as you insist on posting like a hormonal teenager, I will treat you as such.

    However, when you are ready to finally have a real debate, let me know.
    You seem to be the one dodging the debate and calling names? Hmmmm!

    So tell me just what is it about the policies of Liberalism that are moral?

    Now I know that you do not support all of these, but the agenda of liberalism does.

    #1 Abortion? Killing of an unborn child is this moral

    #2 abolition of religion? If you are honest you will admit that there are many liberals that are trying to get any mention or display of religion removed from the public arena?

    #3 Gay Marriage? As a legal and rights issue I understand it, but as a moral issue? This is not a moral lifestyle according to nearly all religions, and I think that religion has at least a base of morality

    #4 Welfare and wealth redistribution? Taking form people that work for a living and giving to those that refuse to do so? Not real moral

    This is just a few? So can you defend this on the basis of Morality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre View Post
    You've condemned them as lies, which is rather different from proving them to be lies.
    Well, when you prove them to be true, I may be so inclined.
    "Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most — that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre View Post
    You've condemned them as lies, which is rather different from proving them to be lies.
    You made the assertions, up to you to demonstrate their truth, to justify them.

    Cite some libertarians to back your claims up. Should be simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    You seem to be the one dodging the debate and calling names? Hmmmm!
    What part of that post was debate, zelmo? What part of ANY of his posts are debate? Get off my $#@!ing back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    What part of that post was debate, zelmo? What part of ANY of his posts are debate? Get off my $#@!ing back.
    To me it was a statement that was designed to start debate?

    I am not on your back I am trying to get you to engage? None of your statements are debate either. I am trying to get the debate started

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