Did Hitler want to rule the world?

[iustitia]

What the *$#@!* are you talking about? I'm explicitly not trying to talk about Jews or Holocaust denial or any of that so why the $#@! do you keep bringing it up? The topic is specifically about what Hitler's actual political and military ambitions were at the time and you're deadset on making this topic about the Holocaust which didn't even happen until WWII was well underway. What is your problem guy?

[The Xl]

Escalated quickly, this did.

[Bob]

One question.

Did Hitler want to rule the world?

Probably.

First some facts.

Area of Germany ---137,847 square miles

Compared to: Larger than New Mexico and less than Montana

Current population is 82- 83 million

Stop to think. Sure it was around 1940 era, but how could Hitler suppose to rule the world?

He was a gnat to the world. His power was his army. His navy was good in submarines, but the rest of his fleet? Not good. Britian sunk his heavy ships fairly quickly. Transport to other countries? Terrible.

To think one is in the mind of Hitler is an exercise in being daft.

[Gerrard Winstanley]

What Hitler wanted to do, and what Hitler could do, are two different matters. The Nazis had the knowledge of a kindergarten class when it came to military logistics, diplomatic pragmatism and common sense.

[iustitia]

...OR, Hitler had specific goals of retaking German lands and crushing Communism. And then he was forced into war with countries he actually didn't want war with.

[Gerrard Winstanley]

...OR, Hitler had specific goals of retaking German lands and crushing Communism. And then he was forced into war with countries he actually didn't want war with.

You assume Hitler had logical military objectives. His plans for a Nazi-dominated world order were the stuff of pulp fiction.

[1751_Texan]

Ok, first off, no one thinks Hitler was a good person. So we can end the Holocaust-guilt right there.

Second, the Holocaust has nothing to do with the topic of Hitler's global - or lack thereof - ambitions.

Third, as an aside, the Holocaust was called "the final solution" for a reason - it was the last in a series of attempts by Hitler to *remove* Jews from Germany. One plan was to persecute Jews to the point they would willingly leave, which is why the SS had an office in which they rubber stamped every Jewish visa they could. That failed because, shocker, the totally-not-antisemitic West didn't accept the visas. There was also the Madagascar Plan in which Hitler would move the Jews to Africa. Except the Allies took Africa. Within the context of the time, we essentially pushed Hitler toward the Holocaust which I'll remind everyone didn't start until the war was already in effect. No war no Holocaust.

You live in a fantasy world of what if hitler won...

Finally, Hitler would not have conquered Great Britain. He made multiple attempts to win their favor and friendship and respected their empire and wished for them to maintain their naval supremacy side by side with Germany's new air supremacy. Which is actually the point of this topic, that Hitler wanted many things but ruling the world wasn't one of them. His focus was reclaiming German lands stolen due to the Versailles Treaty after WWI, and crushing Bolshevik communism.

Seriously. ERMAHGERD HOLOCAUST.

this is not history...it's fantasy world.

[iustitia]

You assume Hitler had logical military objectives. His plans for a Nazi-dominated world order were the stuff of pulp fiction.

Why is it wrong to assume Hitler had logical military objectives? Hitler was a nationalist. He specifically went after land Germany lost in WWI or land occupied by slavs. He only fought the Allies because they declared war on him. He respected the British and wanted to coexist with them, and anyone that knows western history knows that it's not uncommon for European leaders to seek the "balance of the powers" (which was also destroyed because of WWI). He invaded France after they declared war on him, and then he left them with a shill government to focus on $#@! he actually cared about. He invaded Poland to get back the Free City of Danzig after Poland repeatedly threatened to take Eastern Prussia by force, ignored his attempts at diplomacy, ignored his offers, and tried to get other nations to join Poland in war against Germany so it could expand. Like Great Britain, the US wanted war with Hitler, not the other war around. And he had his eyes on the Soviets because he was a National Socialist, not a Marxist, and he wanted to crush Communism. Hitler made some tactical errors and there were many oversights in WWII when it was in fact WWII. But Hitler didn't want what became WWII so that's hardly the point.

[iustitia]

this is not history...it's fantasy world.

Proof?

[Bob]

Why is it wrong to assume Hitler had logical military objectives? Hitler was a nationalist. He specifically went after land Germany lost in WWI or land occupied by slavs. He only fought the Allies because they declared war on him. He respected the British and wanted to coexist with them, and anyone that knows western history knows that it's not uncommon for European leaders to seek the "balance of the powers" (which was also destroyed because of WWI). He invaded France after they declared war on him, and then he left them with a shill government to focus on $#@! he actually cared about. He invaded Poland to get back the Free City of Danzig after Poland repeatedly threatened to take Eastern Prussia by force, ignored his attempts at diplomacy, ignored his offers, and tried to get other nations to join Poland in war against Germany so it could expand. Like Great Britain, the US wanted war with Hitler, not the other war around. And he had his eyes on the Soviets because he was a National Socialist, not a Marxist, and he wanted to crush Communism. Hitler made some tactical errors and there were many oversights in WWII when it was in fact WWII. But Hitler didn't want what became WWII so that's hardly the point.

For those who doubt that England and France declared war on Germany

http://www.history.co.uk/study-topic...fall-of-france