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    Ah, here on the American plan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Wash View Post
    Government sets the inflation rate which effects the cost of living which makes it impossible for most people to have one parent stay home with the kids today, so I can't really blame the parents since most of them don't get home until 5 or 6 with traffic.

    Modern life is anti-family and anti-morality in general. Can you think of any other point in history where families spent so much time apart? I can't.

    Having worked for the government I have a hard time calling it a moral authority because government's just a concept what we're really talking about is people. The type of people who are politicians are snakes in the grass, and they make our laws which are supposed to be moral and aren't. Look at that thread on payday loans. We're supposed to have usury laws in this country and don't. We're given Frankenfood to eat because Bill Gates is a major shareholder in Monsanto and he put money in the Democrats pockets. How moral is the Monsanto Protection Act? How moral is the progressive tax? How moral are our drug laws?

    Morality needs to be practiced and we need to stand for our own and be an example to others. Letting the state handle it is like letting a hacker fix your computer, and progressives already knifed religion to death in the west with the propaganda machine.

    We are left to choosing our morals for ourselves, and some of us still get them from religion. Others get them from the Disney channel and more get them from music. I'd wager on who has the better kids.
    I don't think it's modern life - it's the Show Biz life since 1945 or so - that wants us all to be good little drones & consume, consume, consume - because that's good for General Motors & megacorps in general, & so good for the national economy. Think suburbs, new car every year, disposable clothing, fast food, dropping or sharply reducing down payment requirements on car loans, mortgages. The trend was to instant gratification, & yah, it's v. bad for civilization. But then, the US isn't big on civilization, because that would mean we'd have to pay attention to history, & to the World. & it's so much nicer to plan the family get together @ Disneyland, weddings that are also tourist destination excursions, a nose job or liposuction for a Coming Out party (ask your parents), see what's up with the celebrity du jour.

    Yah, we mostly have to choose our own morals, although I think our morals are still more inculcated by parents, close relatives, church, schools, mentors, education in general. No, I don't think most people actually live the Show Biz life - because it's v. self-destructive - see Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix - not just in terms of career, but also a real threat to life & limb. We'd be better off to turn off the TV & digital media most of the time (they're just selling eye-balls to the zaibatsu anyway) & focus on real life - you know, the big room outside with the intensely blue sky? & that big ball o' light & heat that passes over every day? Yah, that's the ticket ...

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    I haven't figured out why people don't realize that watching TV is watching others live. The watchers are in suspended animation. Some people really believe reality shows reflect reality.....go figure

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    Move over, Philo Farnsworth

    Quote Originally Posted by PolWatch View Post
    I haven't figured out why people don't realize that watching TV is watching others live. The watchers are in suspended animation. Some people really believe reality shows reflect reality.....go figure
    Yah, I often think that Plato should get credit for conceptually inventing TV - wasn't it his conceit that

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

    "Plato has Socrates describe a gathering of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall by things passing in front of a fire behind them, and begin to designate names to these shadows. The shadows are as close as the prisoners get to viewing reality. He then explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall do not make up reality at all, as he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the mere shadows seen by the prisoners."

    (My emphasis)

    Apparently, there really is nothing new under the (reflected) sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolWatch View Post
    I haven't figured out why people don't realize that watching TV is watching others live. The watchers are in suspended animation. Some people really believe reality shows reflect reality.....go figure
    I love fishing and hunting a little, but I just can't watch those fishing and hunting programs on TV.

    They piss me off actually, the commercialism and "poser" element that it turned into is $#@!ing disgusting.
    my junk is ugly

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    Watching someone else fish just makes me mad that I'm not fishing! I do watch one fishing program...its local and pretty much tells where the fish are biting best. Our fishing area includes fresh, salt & brackish...so it helps to know where the fish are hiding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wash View Post
    Government sets the inflation rate which effects the cost of living which makes it impossible for most people to have one parent stay home with the kids today, so I can't really blame the parents since most of them don't get home until 5 or 6 with traffic.

    Modern life is anti-family and anti-morality in general. Can you think of any other point in history where families spent so much time apart? I can't.

    Having worked for the government I have a hard time calling it a moral authority because government's just a concept what we're really talking about is people. The type of people who are politicians are snakes in the grass, and they make our laws which are supposed to be moral and aren't. Look at that thread on payday loans. We're supposed to have usury laws in this country and don't. We're given Frankenfood to eat because Bill Gates is a major shareholder in Monsanto and he put money in the Democrats pockets. How moral is the Monsanto Protection Act? How moral is the progressive tax? How moral are our drug laws?

    Morality needs to be practiced and we need to stand for our own and be an example to others. Letting the state handle it is like letting a hacker fix your computer, and progressives already knifed religion to death in the west with the propaganda machine.

    We are left to choosing our morals for ourselves, and some of us still get them from religion. Others get them from the Disney channel and more get them from music. I'd wager on who has the better kids.
    I really hate the idea of leaving what might well be the majority of kids, or at least those in cities, at the mercy of TV and music for their moral education. IMO they'd learn better morals in the woods than from the latter two sources. I think that as a species we are born with some basic understanding of morality that is either reinforced or dispelled by what we are taught while growing up. There was a time, up until sometime in the 40's or early 50's that ethics and morality were taught in schools albeit with a religious angle, however you can no longer bring God into the classroom, since everyone may have a different idea of God or are being raised as atheists. Can't do anything about that, but does the concept of morality exist only in the religious sense? I don't think it does. I think that there is a way of teaching basic morality without getting into controversial societal issues like abortion or homosexuality.
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