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    10 Battles that shaped Russia

    10 Battles that shaped Russia

    1. Battle of Aslanduz (October 1812).

    2. Siege of Izmail (December 22, 1789).

    3. Battle of Klushino (July 4, 1610).

    4. Battle of Moscow (September 1 and 3, 1612).

    5. Battle of Poltava (July 8, 1709).

    6. The many battles for Albazin (17th century).

    7. Siege and Capture of Khiva (June 10, 1873)

    8. Battle of Tsushima (May 27 and 28, 1905)

    9. Battle of Borodino (September 7, 1812).

    10. Battle of Stalingrad (1942-43).


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    I didn't know that at the time of the Battle of Borodino (the costliest battle of the Napoleonic period if I'm not mistaken?) the Russians had an army conducting operations against the Persians.

    Anyway, not sure how the Battle of Kulikovo failed to make the list.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kulikovo
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    Russia has a history of being invaded and that is why they are understandably nervous about the expansion of NATO towards their western border.

    Napoleon and Hitler both learned the hard way that Russia will not be brushed aside. Will our own arrogant political class be forced to learn the same lesson?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Russia has a history of being invaded and that is why they are understandably nervous about the expansion of NATO towards their western border.

    Napoleon and Hitler both learned the hard way that Russia will not be brushed aside. Will our own arrogant political class be forced to learn the same lesson?
    This is something I often hear (often from Chomsky readers) but the fact is that Russia invaded Europe proper a number of times. For example, in 1914 Russia invaded German East Prussia and Hapsburg Galicia. Russia had entangled herself in European affairs for several centuries. IOW, it wasn't a state nervous about Western encroachment but a state that actively participated in the European state system and balance of power politics.

    Moreover, waves of invaders (usually savages) have emerged from the steppe over the millennia. Historically, trouble came from the steppe not the other way around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    This is something I often hear (often from Chomsky readers) but the fact is that Russia invaded Europe proper a number of times. For example, in 1914 Russia invaded German East Prussia and Hapsburg Galicia. Russia had entangled herself in European affairs for several centuries. IOW, it wasn't a state nervous about Western encroachment but a state that actively participated in the European state system and balance of power politics.

    Moreover, waves of invaders (usually savages) have emerged from the steppe over the millennia. Historically, trouble came from the steppe not the other way around.
    No doubt there was a mutual aspect to it. But even so, one can still understand why Russians might be sensitive about foreign powers creeping up towards their borders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    No doubt there was a mutual aspect to it. But even so, one can still understand why Russians might be sensitive about foreign powers creeping up towards their borders.
    But couldn't you say the same for any state? For example, I'm sure the peoples of eastern Europe are a little wary of Russia and perhaps with good reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    But couldn't you say the same for any state? For example, I'm sure the peoples of eastern Europe are a little wary of Russia and perhaps with good reason.
    That's true, but at the very least Russia is part of the region whereas the US is not. I think that's an important difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That's true, but at the very least Russia is part of the region whereas the US is not. I think that's an important difference.
    I agree. I'm certainly not saying Russia has no cause to fear NATO (US) buildup on her frontier or meddling in the Ukraine but I'm a little skeptical of the Russia as victim narrative. Russia has not been the innocent victim of imperial aggression but an avid practitioner of it for centuries.
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